- Joined: 18/01/2007
RE: Dealing with Internalised Oppression
and one more post from our Administrator
who has a question
Below are five letters that have been put into our Guest Book. They represent the views of some women in the Church.
"How do we talk to women who are hostile to the idea of women priests?"
* Women CANNOT be priests. They can become a nun, or a layperson, an altar server, an ASL assistant, a Catholic Women Legioness, etc. It's ridiculous that they could possibly even think of becoming priests. If they do this, they're making Catholicism a "copy" of Wicca/Paganism. Why do you think God designed Catholicism so differently? TO MAKE IT UNIQUE from all other churches and to help others realise it's the TRUTH. God's already spoken on the issue, as did the Pope John Paul II. There are no RIGHTS...only LAWS. There is much difference between them. Please submit to God and confess to your nearest priest. It's not worth condemning yourselves over. Would you rather worship God in absolute safety? Or do you prefer to worship in great risk and doubt? I will do WHATEVER I can for the Church, including being a slave for God and whoever's earthly authority He puts over me. But I will NEVER be a priest nor do I want to be one. I will pray for you all, even in Purgatory.
Miva in Canada
* And what the heck is 'Catholic sense'? Where do you come up with this stuff? If Mary wished for women to be priests she has had many times to share that what with all of her apparitions, Lourdes, Fatima, Knock, Guadaloupe, but she has never said anything, Unless people don't people in the glaring evidence for those as there is for the glaring evidence against women priests. I present to you the following. Priesthood is partially based in tradition, true, and Jesus did choose all males as his disciples but that was not because of the times. He did not care at all about the social norms of his times. He talked to lepers, spoke out against men divorcing their wives, talked to the 'unclean' Samaritan woman. Why would he have cared about giving women the priesthood if he wanted to? When Judas rejected his priesthood, the disciples had to choose another to replace him, no females were considered, even though there were many loyal followers, among them the Blessed Mother, who was the sinless Mother of God. SHE was more qualified.
* Women are not to be priests and to tell the Church that they are wrong is heretical and I agree that if you feel this way you should join a Protestant church, the wonderful thing about being catholic is that we know that Jesus left his church the CATHOLIC church to be guided by the holy spirit, he left certain rules to abide by and these rules are rules in heaven. It is so wonderful that we know the right way to live and to question core beliefs is wrong. Feminism really has no place in the Catholic Church. The church is not a democracy, which is another thing that is so great, we don't vote on what is moral and what is immoral there is nothing to vote on because only God says so. To question is to question the underlying beliefs and if you don't believe that the church is infallible and capable of making laws according to what GOD wants (not us remember it is not all about us) then there is not reason to believe in Catholicism at all!
Roxanne from USA
* Someone please explain to me: Why would God call a woman to be a priest when the Church to whom He gave authority to "bind and loose" declares it impossible for a woman to be a priest? Typical Cafeteria Catholicism...the Church is right...unless you disagree with Her. You have "theologians" backing you up...bully for you...but the Church has some pretty good ones backing Her up, as well...say, The Church Fathers, for instance. I am woman, intelligent, and educated. I do not believe myself inferior to men. I am different from a man. As the Little Flower said, after a period of desiring to be a Priest, "Love gave me the key to my vocation. I understood that it was love alone that made the Church's members act. I have found my place in the Church. In the heart of my Church, my Mother, I shall be Love...and thus I shall be everything, and thus my dream will be realised." The great St. Francis of Assisi refused to be a priest because he felt himself unworthy. I see no such insight or humility here.
* All of your arguments for women in the priesthood are based on half-truths and faulty theology. You obviously need to do more research to understand why you are horribly misguided in your assumptions. Believe me when I say that I am praying that God help you to see the truth of his will instead of the truth of you own will. Oh, and I have a question. If all the other Christian churches condone homosexual relationships, abortion, divorce, euthanasia, etc, etc, does that mean that they are obviously according to the will of Christ? Religion is not a majority rule, jumping on the misinformed bandwagon is the greatest flaw any individual (or group) can make.
Do we know what percentage of women world wide support these views?
Also do we have a breakdown of demographics with respect to continents and educational level?
(e.g. No education, grade school only, High School, College degree, Post graduate degree)
I had the opportunity to chat with Dr. Wijngaards earlier today about your inquiries. The question of how women 'group up' in favour or against women priests is very difficult. We do not have accurate figures for Asia, Africa and Latin America. In an analysis of these countries, we would need to carefully distinguish between how many are educated and how many are not, and what percentage have access to up-to-date information on Catholic theological thinking. In terms of what we know about prevailing opinions on the continents of North America, Australia and Europe, Dr. Wijngaards informs me that three major studies have been done. They each provide great detail. The studies are:
We don't have the reports available on our website at the moment. I will see what I can do to find them from another source. In the meantime, if anyone can help, that would be great! I'll come back with more about this. For the time being, I wanted to let you know what I have learned so far. Thank you very much for your questions. They help broaden our understanding and awareness of the picture and the challenge the lies before us. with love and blessings, ~Sophie~
- W.V.D’Antonio, Laity, American and Catholic: Transforming the Church, Sheed and Ward, Kansas 1996; ‘The American Catholic Laity’, National Catholic Reporter, 29 October 1999.
- D. McLaughlin, The beliefs, values and practices of Catholic student teachers, Australian Catholic University, Brisbane 1999; see also: Catholic School lay principals: Professional and pastoral issues, Australian Catholic University, Brisbane 1996.
- A study done by Andrew Greeley and someone else (whose name escapes me just now!) on Europe provides statistics about eight countries in Western Europe.