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RE: Women as Mothers - 16/01/2008 11:57:57 ( #61 )
This book you refer to sounds very necessary and useful.  Your comments about the way women are asked to be perpetual prayers and eternal mommies for male priests and asked to be nothing else for our church is indeed a diminishment and restriction of women which continues to demean and defy Jesus, God,  and St. Peter and St. Paul too.
 
Women are not to be limited and confined to the role of silent, submissive "mommies" who can pray and that's it.  His words are hypocritical and/or mistaken as they show either his sad ignorance of what role Jesus grants to women--as full co-partners and full co-workers in the church, granted by Jesus and God and continued by Saints Paul and Peter, or deliberate obfuscation, manipulation and demeaning control of women, which Jesus NEVER did to women. 
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RE: Women as Mothers - 16/01/2008 05:41:33 ( #62 )
Dear friends,

The following article, although related to the field of politics, provides some food for thought about some of the same aspects of ecclesiastical arguments regarding the significance of gender difference.

with love and blessings,

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The Correct Hillary Clinton Stereotype
Forget the ‘mommy’ image. Female voters see bedrock competence.

by Susan Faludi
The Los Angeles Times
January 15, 2008

On the afternoon of the New Hampshire primary, I had a political epiphany of sorts while standing in line at the Kaiser Permanente Medical Center in San Francisco waiting for a prescription to be filled. In front of me, a middle-aged woman in a sensible pantsuit was soothing her rattled, elderly mother. “It’s OK, Mom, they made us go to the end of the line because I didn’t wait until your name was on the board, but you don’t need to stand. Sit down and relax, and I’ll handle it.”

In the row of chairs to my left, another woman in business wear — she’d clearly just run in from the office — was applying similar verbal balm to her fretting parent. “That’s not a problem. I’ll call the doctor and make sure he understands that, and then I’ll move that other appointment to tomorrow morning. Don’t worry.” A pitched cellphone battle with the doctor’s recalcitrant gatekeeper followed. Evidently, the daughter won. “It’s fixed,” she told her mother. “I’ve taken care of everything.”

Listening to these women manage their mothers with effectiveness and as much patience as they could muster, admitting to errors, standing in interminable lines, speed-dialing medical professionals, I wanted to ask, “Could you run my country?”

As it happens, I’m not alone in wishing for a nation run by someone whose desire for our well-being is passionate but whose actions on our behalf also exude bedrock competence, someone who lacks any flash whatsoever except the flash that keeps a person assiduously doing the hardest things in life. In New Hampshire and all across the country, many female voters seem to be thinking along the same lines.

The media, punditry and pollsters have been viewing this historic female candidacy, and the candidate herself, through the Madonna-Medea prism they’ve applied since at least the Victorian era to women who venture into American public life. In so doing, they have ignored a whole other model of womanhood that is central to female experience. If they are determined to think of Hillary Clinton in stereotypical female terms, at least they should get the stereotype right.

That ignorance was on prominent display after New Hampshire, as analysts groped to explain the primary results and came up with explanations that were as offensive as they were phantasmagorial. One theory, admittedly far-fetched but avidly promulgated, held that Clinton’s unexpected surge of support came from lower-class voters who were secretly (that is, un-poll-ably) racist. Some pundits acknowledged that there might be a gender dynamic at work but allowed for only one possibility: Female voters were easily manipulated saps who’d let a few girl tears muddle their political sense. Pundits debated whether Clinton’s tears were “real” or “manufactured” — that is, whether she was some weak sob sister who couldn’t hack the rough-and-tumble of a man’s world, or just a power-grabbing witch who would do anything to hang on to her broomstick.

A few, such as San Francisco Chronicle reporter Carla Marinucci, offered more cogent appraisals. She pointed out that female voters didn’t seem to be responding to Clinton’s tears so much as to their outrage at men’s reactions to those tears (in particular, men in the media).

Clinton has not based her campaign, or much of her appeal, on her femininity or her womanhood. However, the public (and especially the media) persist in viewing her through that lens. The problem is that it is a distorted lens. It only sees half of female experience. Clinton, and virtually all of the female politicians who have come before her, wind up being assessed according to a long-standing division, then condemned either way: too tenderhearted or coddling (the criticism implicit in “Hillarycare” or “nanny state,” as well as in the initial reaction to her tearing up in New Hampshire) or too unemotional and controlling (implicit in “Hillary’s not personal enough”). In either case, the candidate is being judged not just as a woman but as a mom.

American society characterizes women as caregivers based on their young years as mothers. And when the American media demand emotion and warmth from Clinton, they are voicing the demand of a child to its mother (a demand not made equally to its father).

But there’s an entirely separate realm of female caretaking that is, in fact, more relevant to national leadership and to Clinton’s candidacy. Daughters shoulder the overwhelming burden of the care of our elderly parents. This too is a sphere of women’s experience, far more familiar to the women in the middle-to-older age bracket who supported Clinton most fervently, but its precepts are very different.

The woman caring for her aging parent isn’t being asked to bolster a juvenile ego with the necessary dollops of cooing, mirroring and inspirational atta-boys. The availability that a child asks from a young mother is not the quality most required in a middle-aged woman caring for a mature parent — or a mature nation. Competence is. If that competence is backed by the humanizing force of tears, that is lovely and appreciated. But as those women at Kaiser knew, the moment called most of all for practical solutions and a reliable problem-solver.

The greatest show of nurturance those women could possibly evince was steeling themselves to stand in that line all over again and make that hectoring phone call to yet another doctor, even if they were perceived as a “bitch” by the receptionist on the other end.

In their appraisals of Hillary Clinton, the pollsters and pundits who have not gotten beyond that mommy/ball-buster teeter-totter narrative of American womanhood also have not begun to diagnose gender dynamics beyond the perspective of the little boy and his mom. A lot of female voters, however, may be factoring in a whole other kind of female archetype, whose wet eyes do not signal weakness and whose flashes of anger do not signal coldness, only pragmatic perseverance.

If pundits ever tried to understand what some female voters know about the complexity of women’s lives, they might begin to comprehend the appeal of a female candidate whose ethic of caring and whose posture of femininity derive from responsibilities beyond the maternal. And then they might begin to understand the affection of women in New Hampshire who put her over the top.

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Susan Faludi is the author of The Terror Dream: Fear and Fantasy in Post 9/11 America, a finalist for a National Book Critics Circle Award.

Copyright 2008 Los Angeles Times
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RE: Women as Mothers - 20/01/2008 04:07:50 ( #63 )
Dear friends,

Another article from the political world:  Although the comments are made in the context of the current American presidential race, Joan Chittister's opinion piece lends some food for thought to our discussion about John Paul II's views on women as mothers, and what he perceives to be the differences between women and men that define our roles in the Church and the world.   

with love and blessings,

~Sophie~

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What about the ones who are both sexist and racist?
Joan Chittister, osb
National Catholic Reporter
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One of the more interesting dimensions of the current presidential campaign is that we may all need to wrestle now with the question of which is more prevalent in US society -- racism or sexism. This is an alternative that strikes me as a very strange question to begin with, frankly. After all, all races have a male-female question since all men of all races have been raised in the historical mythology of male superiority. All males, any males, everywhere. Which means then that discrimination is also true for all women, any women, anywhere.

As the United Nations Population Fund report puts it:


At the dawn of the 21st Century, humanity continues to witness massive human rights violations in the form of discrimination and violence against half of the world's population. The unequal status, freedoms and opportunities afforded to women and girls exist to a greater or lesser degree in every society and country of the world and regrettably, all too often taken for granted as "normal" aspects of society and human relations.

In fact, we are only beginning to discover that sexism is based on a bad biology that has been theologized. Women, women were told by men, were physically smaller and therefore secondary human beings, that their single purpose was obviously for pregnancy and child-rearing, that they were more emotional and therefore less rational -- read "less capable, less adequate" -- than men.

As a result, physical size was confused with intellectual competence and spiritual development, child rearing trumped intelligence for women but not for men, and hard-heartedness was more important than compassion in governance. Which may, from at least one perspective, be true if the town is surrounded by hungry lions and rampaging elephants.

But, in the end, one argument silenced common sense everywhere.

Sexism, we were meant to believe, was simply built into the human race by God. There was nothing we could do about it. It was ‘God’s will’ for women.

Everywhere, exceptions were used to prove the rule: a queen here, a cowgirl there, a woman athlete, a couple women scholars. These were all women who could, they said, "think like a man," or throw a ball "like a man," or lead a government "like a man" but who were then, of course, always the exceptions, never the norm. The norm was male.

Racism on the other hand is universal, too -- meaning found to some appreciable and determining degree in all cultures. The difference is that where racism is concerned, there is no universally acclaimed superior race as males were/are argued to be, by nature, over women. In fact males of all colors have been seen as the "natural" leaders, the superior beings, the social elite from tribe to temple everywhere.

Not so for women.

Nevertheless, where issues of either racism or sexism are concerned in a global society, in a world characterized by seeping borders and compulsory education and open universities, ideas are beginning to change. And society is changing with them. Our commitment to the biological or social notions of inferiority -- either racist or sexist -- is reversing itself everywhere and theology is struggling to cope with it.

As St. Augustine says, however, we are in "the already but not yet" moment in history. People still live in one of two mental universes everywhere. Or worse, maybe, we’re all living in both of them at one time. Like here, for instance.

Enter the 2008 electoral process and let the confusion begin.

One of the most amusing but least funny of all the analyses of campaign politics to date was the comparison of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton before the Iowa/New Hampshire primaries.

The criticism of Clinton was that she was hard and cold. She appealed to strategy and reason, it seems. She didn’t laugh right or smile right or talk in the right register. She wanted to discuss particular programs and experience instead of being more "likable." She wanted to talk about the problems we’re having and what she thought would fix them.

Obama, on the other hand – ironically -- appealed to the heart. He wanted to talk about the need for change. He appealed to good old-fashioned Americanism, the melting pot, can-do (Yes, we can!) world of national unity and compassionate vision.

There was no applause for her rationality, no criticism of his sensitive and stirring appeals, no acknowledgment of her concern for people- problems, no derision of his vocal register.

He was, that is, what every woman is afraid to be: emotional. And not a word of criticism came from it.

And then the change: When asked how she felt about being criticized for being unemotional, she said, "It hurts my feelings." And, to their eternal credit, the audience laughed.

And when she lost in Iowa, they asked her why she stayed in the race when she seemed to be losing so much ground so quickly and with tears in her eyes, she said, "(What happens to this country) is personal to me ..." And the country blinked.

Apparently, the old categories of hard vs. soft, rational vs. emotional and who is allowed to be them is shifting in the wind.

So now the argument is emerging that some women leaders -- the few of them that history provides us -- haven’t been so good. So why haven’t we heard any of them argue, on the other hand, that we shouldn’t elect a man because all the male leaders we’ve had around the world, over the ages, then and now haven’t been so good either.

Obviously, the old reasons for why we do or don’t elect someone aren’t as convincing, aren’t as certain anymore as they used to be.

Maybe we ought to just start listening to what our candidates say about how they will do all the things they promise to do and then, male and female, female and male, make up our own minds -- whatever their color, whatever their sex -- whether what they’re promising is necessary, is doable, is important to us or not. In fact, maybe we ought to just listen to them to see if they’re really promising anything or not.

From where I stand, how people vote is becoming less and less important than why people vote for the candidates they do.

The analysts tell us, for instance, that people voted for George Bush because they saw him as "likable," as someone you’d "want to have a beer with." Al Gore, it seems, wasn’t the pub-crawling, beer-drinking type. He was "stiff," we said. And as a result, we turned down a potential Nobel Peace Prize winner for a winsome warrior. Five years of war later and over 600,000 Iraqi and almost 4,000 U.S. military dead, makes you wonder, doesn’t it?

This time it could even be worse. We could turn down a good president now simply because the candidate is either a gender we don’t like or a color we don’t accept. Then, what we’ll get from voters who are both sexist and racist at the same time, I shudder to even imagine.

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RE: Women as Mothers - 31/01/2008 04:02:00 ( #64 )
Dear friends,

An article that surfaced in our recent discussion about Eve, Adam and Creation  (taking place in our thread by that name: Eve and Adam...and Creation!) is Kim Power's ‘Of godly men and medicine: ancient biology and the Christian Fathers on the nature of woman’ brought to mind the theme of Women as Mothers in our Congress.
 
In her article, Power points out:


In the magisterial responses of the Catholic church to the ‘problem of women’ and their role in church ministry, the appeal has been more and more to “Tradition”,(1) as biblical scholars disallow naive and uncritical appropriation of Scripture on this issue.(2) In her study on women in Vatican documents, Nadine Foley discovers an "ontology of woman" that assumes that


women's nature has a specificity revealed through a unique set of traits evident in her behavior. . . . The familial role of woman is essential and normative.

One limitation of this viewpoint is that it treats all woman as identical without allowing for cultural and individual differences, thus perpetuating the myth of the ‘universal woman.’ Foley rightly points out that the "presumed essential function of woman at the heart of the family is a critical issue for interpretation". In none of the documents is man's role given treatment separate to that of the generic human being (homo ) nor is his familial role given any extended treatises. It would appear that his major areas of responsibility are considered to be elsewhere.

Power continues: "This ontology derived from the “Tradition”, perceives the nature of women as so distinct from that of men, that a common humanity is not enough for women to represent Christ in his salvific role. The tradition has not been critically examined on these questions but appropriated in toto."

And critical to our examination here, she observes:


The apostolic letter Mulieris Dignitatem brought no changes. In Mulieris dignitatem, woman's vocation is defined as that of consecrated virgin or mother; dual aspects of Mary's role which converge in the fact that both are in spousal unions, the former with Christ, the latter with a husband. Women are defined by their femininity, and warned that seeking full dignity must never entail "masculinization". Women can find themselves solely in loving others. Although the Pope affirms the priesthood of all believers, he denies that women can stand in the person of Christ at the celebration of eucharist. In archetypal terms, woman, especially Mary, represents humanity; man represents God.

When examining assumptions of the science of antiquity, Power observes that these assumptions -- and not truths -- of late antique biology promulgated by philosopher’s and medical texts became embedded in the foundational doctrinal texts of Christianity. They continue to afflict Vatican theological perspectives --

Vatican philosophical and medical reflections do not represent objective exploration of the boundaries of sex and gender but instead find their roots in cultural constructions of power, legitimacy and fatherhood. In antiquity, these constructions legitimated asymmetrical power relationships, the division of labour, dress codes, access to resources, and the restriction of women from public life.  In the Church, they bar women from participation in ordained ministry and full participation in all realms of the Church. Although the Pope affirms the priesthood of all believers, he denies that women can stand in the person of Christ at the celebration of eucharist. In archetypal terms, woman, especially Mary, represents humanity; man represents God.

The link to Power's article is here: ‘Of godly men and medicine: ancient biology and the Christian Fathers on the nature of woman.’   Please enjoy!

If you have any questions, as always, let me know.

with love and blessings,

~Sophie~
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RE: Women as Mothers - 01/02/2008 01:06:50 ( #65 )
The document is wrong when it says "woman represents humanity, man represents God."  That is the old idea women are base nature , animalistic.
 
Woman represents God too BOTH men and women image God and are made in the image of God.
 
Jesus is fully HUMAN and fully DIVINE.   Jesus does NOT just respresent God,  because  Jesus represents humans too and God,  and WOMEN represent God and humans.
 
This Mulieris Dignitatem is WRONG.  Women represent God and Jesus too and Jesus deliberately chose women to do just that in the New Testament.
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RE: Women as Mothers - 01/02/2008 01:19:22 ( #66 )

ORIGINAL: Sophie


In archetypal terms, woman, especially Mary, represents humanity; man represents God.




~Sophie~

 
 
Woman represents the human and man represents the divine.  So is human equal to the divine or inferior to the divine?
 
I guess it really is about inferior and superior after all.
 
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RE: Women as Mothers - 01/02/2008 01:46:40 ( #67 )
Hold it there!!  Why Papal People, do you not see what you say there?  Women are MORE Godlike you see, MORE like Jesus, you see, 
 
 Well now, here's the thing---- Jesus is BOTH Divine AND Human .  You say in your Mulieris Dignatem that Man only images God, not humanity. 
 
 Women , they image humanity you say.  And SO DOES JESUS too---so Women thus are More Like Jesus and SO only Women can truly image God and Jesus, as the men are not human enough you see because you say so,  and Jesus was definately human enough, like Women are. 
 
What a lot of rot has been written into the Mulieris Dignatatem.   There is NO Dignity in it at all.  Imagine the Arrogance of the people who wrote it, to claim men are divine and  women are not!  Women are human, men are God.  Reaaaaaaalllllly????   Isn"t that conveeeeeeent to say men are Gods and women are not!!! To claim men are so superior to women and women are not spiritual and not holy enough to even stand outside the Sistene Chapel. for crying out loud!!  Women are just human, not divine!!  I don't think so!!
 
Show me in the New Testament where Jesus says that.  Why, dear Saint Peter himself, Bless Him, says "Respect each other, Respect Everyone, All have the same feeling and action in the church"  Hey that means respect women too!!   "women, do not be afraid of anything."  That means women do all the same roles men do too.  Paul says "no women or man, all are one in God".   No discrimination, none of this women are inferior, leave women out. stuff in the New Testament. 
 
 So what's with the Papal Posse of Rome writing this junk in Mulieris Dignatem that women are humans and men are gods?  What a mess the Papal People are making of the church.  Arrogance and nonsense to say what they say in order to shut out women.  My prayer book is wearing thin with the valley of tears that has to be shed over this mistaken Mulieris Dignatem .  Dear blessed nun teacher of my childhood  is preparing a notebook of the errors of this Mulieris Dignatem, starting with the nonsense that women can not image God, only humanity, and men represent God.  She is putting big red correction marks on the silly mistakes in that document and bless her, we need her help, for sure!  from the Catholic Church Lady 
 
 
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RE: Women as Mothers - 01/02/2008 02:01:04 ( #68 )
By this reasoning of this mulieris dignatatem priests have to be a couple, both a woman and a man as two partners together. 
 
 Man represents God and  man is not human enough, woman the human part, not god enough so due to deficiency of both men and women, neither can be a priest solo. 
 
 The priest has to have both a man and woman present together, so that Jesus is represented as Jesus is both fully human And fully divine----both. 
 
 So both man and woman are needed to make up for Jesus, human and divine.  Man alone can not be a priest, he is not human enough.  Great, the pope admits women have to be ordained.  Men are not human enough to represent Jesus so women have to be priests too.  Interssting document this mulieris dignatatem. 
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RE: Women as Mothers - 01/02/2008 02:20:27 ( #69 )
Good grief! So men are divine?  So men are gods?   And women are human, not divine and not gods.  Hmmmmmmmmm.  Who wrote that ?  Oh yeah, a bunch of men in Rome wrote that.  Why did I know that, a bunch of guys in Rome claim  only men are divine and gods.  Is that ever amazing, the guys in the Vatican are all gods.
 
  What about what Jesus has to say about this?  Does Jesus say the guys are gods and women are not?  Does Jesus say priests are gods and above everyone else?  Or does he say serve one another in humility, treat each other with respect, and St. Peter says that too and says  rule over noone.  A priest is a humble servant of God, uh, not god.
 
Fellows of Rome.  You got this all wrong. Roman men in the Vatican.  You have this all wrong.  Take a look at the New Testament  The mulieris dignatatem is not one bit authentic to the church of God or Jesus,  just the arrogant ramblings of men who certainly do not represent Jesus when they write mulieris dignatatem.
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RE: Women as Mothers - 02/02/2008 12:47:26 ( #70 )
Colombian Bishops Seek Promotion of Women
Note Abortion-Pressure and Poverty as Obstacles
January 31, 2008

BOGOTA, Colombia, JAN. 31, 2008 (Zenit.org).- The Colombian bishops' conference wants to promote the dignity of the woman, and two obstacles they see are the "feminization of poverty" and the promotion of abortion.

In his inaugural address at their 84th general assembly, under way in Bogota, Archbishop Luis Castro Quiroga of Tunja, president of the episcopal conference, mentioned these obstacles to women's dignity. The assembly is focused on "The Mission of the Woman in the Church and Society."

Archbishop Castro Quiroga called for the Colombian Ministry of Social Protection to focus on helping women "face pregnancy in a positive way, without sacrificing the new life growing in her womb." Life is a "non-negotiable value," he added, "a value that also includes unborn babies after conception."

The archbishop's address responds to campaigns "promoted by the Colombian Ministry of Social Protection and various nongovernmental organizations who claim to be concerned about the wellbeing of the women, which is important, but who are completely indifferent to the destiny of the unborn child, and this is not good."

He noted the promotion of the so-called morning-after pill, and free contraception in the nation's Obligatory Health Plan.

"It is true that there are answers that seem easy and effective, but that -- though they are legal because they were approved by the constitutional court -- are ethically blameworthy because they take the life of innocent human beings," Archbishop Castro Quiroga added.

He continued, "This attempt to confuse the ethical sense of the woman, to influence through the mass media, a change consciences toward a more lax attitude, owed to the urgency of obtaining and showing better results in the number of abortions, appears to us simply absurd, more so if it leads to the desire to legalizing all types of abortion."

The archbishop said the protection of life in the womb is "the test of all democracy. […] A democratic person has to be the greatest and most enthusiastic defender of those who cannot defend themselves, of the weakest, whether this is the woman in situations of abuse, or the unborn child, but not of one against the other."

Archbishop Castro Quiroga noted statistics detailing the vulnerable situation of women around the world, citing a World Health Organization report that 70% of human beings who live on less than one dollar a day are women. "Between 80% and 90% of poor families of the world are led by women. But women are owners of only 1% of the land of the earth, and make up two-thirds of the illiterate population of international society. All of this is called the feminization of poverty," the 65-year-old prelate said.

"As bishops," he affirmed, "we come to this assembly to listen to the Christian woman, her joys and hopes, frustrations and longings, to understand better the profound changes that have befallen the woman of today and to be in solidarity with all the answers that from the Gospel and from Aparecida, can be offered in fraternal collaboration for the benefit of the Colombian woman who lives and spends herself in favor of life, the Church and society."

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RE: Women as Mothers - 02/02/2008 04:39:48 ( #71 )

"As bishops," he affirmed, "we come to this assembly to listen to the Christian woman, her joys and hopes, frustrations and longings, to understand better the profound changes that have befallen the woman of today and to be in solidarity with all the answers that from the Gospel and from Aparecida, can be offered in fraternal collaboration for the benefit of the Colombian woman who lives and spends herself in favor of life, the Church and society."

 
Are they really willing to listen to women when it comes to matters of the Church?
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RE: Women as Mothers - 03/02/2008 05:12:16 ( #72 )

ORIGINAL: Therese


"As bishops," he affirmed, "we come to this assembly to listen to the Christian woman, her joys and hopes, frustrations and longings, to understand better the profound changes that have befallen the woman of today and to be in solidarity with all the answers that from the Gospel and from Aparecida, can be offered in fraternal collaboration for the benefit of the Colombian woman who lives and spends herself in favor of life, the Church and society."


Are they really willing to listen to women when it comes to matters of the Church?

 
 
Men listening to women? That would be a first.
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RE: Women as Mothers - 03/02/2008 05:34:56 ( #73 )
The criticism is made of those who work for women's ordination that we are 'power seekers.'
 
I find it difficult to comprehend why criticisms arent' levelled against the hierarchy for being 'power mongers.' 
 
Are there special sunglasses that some people wear which makes the exclusion of women less glaringly strange?
 
Do those special sunglasses make the rows and rows and rows and rows and rows of 'men only'  somehow seem right?'
 
 
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RE: Women as Mothers - 03/02/2008 05:39:41 ( #74 )

ORIGINAL: Guest


ORIGINAL: Therese


"As bishops," he affirmed, "we come to this assembly to listen to the Christian woman, her joys and hopes, frustrations and longings, to understand better the profound changes that have befallen the woman of today and to be in solidarity with all the answers that from the Gospel and from Aparecida, can be offered in fraternal collaboration for the benefit of the Colombian woman who lives and spends herself in favor of life, the Church and society."


Are they really willing to listen to women when it comes to matters of the Church?



Men listening to women? That would be a first.

 
 
Oh I forgot, there actually was a first time.
 
The reason men don’t listen to women; here it is in all its sexist glory.
 
 
To the man he said: "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree of which I had forbidden you to eat, "Cursed be the ground because of you! In toil shall you eat its yield all the days of your life.
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Thorns and thistles shall it bring forth to you, as you eat of the plants of the field.
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By the sweat of your face shall you get bread to eat, Until you return to the ground, from which you were taken; For you are dirt, and to dirt you shall return."

 
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RE: Basic reference to this section in the encyclical - 04/02/2008 03:52:33 ( #75 )
"Wojtyla's view of women developed largely as a result of cultural conditioning.  He was still very young when his mother died and most of his formative years were spent in the company of his father, his male school teachers, and priests.  He learned about the role of mothers and women in Polish homes by visiting the families of his friends and neighbors.  Women in these homes provided him with food, care and other assistance, but he observed them only as a welcomed guest and did not experience living with close female family members.  This may explain his tendency to idealize women as caregivers.  He seemed to have been even more attached to this ideal than most Poles of his generation.  And he certainly shared the general belief among the Poles that mothers have a crucial patriotic role to play in the upbringing of children, teaching them to love God and their country, and in maintaining other family traditions.  While he himself grew up without a mother, he gave mothers most of the credit for encouraging young Catholic men to become priests. In a 1997 speech to a group of Polish Americans in Detroit-Hamtramck, John Paul II noted that "there are today many priests who could confirm that their saintly mothers were above all responsible for their priestly vocation."

Wojtyla's Women, Ted Lipien
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RE: Basic reference to this section in the encyclical - 04/02/2008 04:47:10 ( #76 )
Pope Benedict VXI has similar in a way "absent " mother.  The policeman father would not inform his mother of upcoming family moves, claiming she was "nervous" and would get in a "tizzy", thus she could not have a chance to inform any friends of the move to keep in contact later, or be able to look into the new schools her children would attend, this belittling and controlling behavior to the mother was how he learned women ought to be treated.  In his books there is scant reference to women or New Testament women of the bible, and lots of references to women disparaging ancient church writers.
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Women As Mothers - 04/02/2008 10:39:26 ( #77 )
Helps explain why all the projection is going on.
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RE: Women as Mothers - 16/02/2008 07:20:20 ( #78 )
Dear friends,

The following article comes from one of the founding members of Catherine of Siena Virtual College, Dr. Aaron Milavec.  The article is excellent. Please enjoy!

with love and blessings,

~Sophie~

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A Catholic Father Advises his Daughters
Regarding the Soft Spots in Mulieris dignitatem

Aaron Milavec
Catherine of Siena Virtual College
Written for the
Women Priests Website
5 January 2008 

 
John Paul II prepared his apostolic letter, On the Dignity and Vocation of Women (Mulieris dignitatem), in response to the request of the 1987 World Synod of Bishops that the theological and anthropological bases of being a "woman" or a "man" needed further clarification by way of resolving current issues in the Church. The pope's text has the character of a meditation. He begins by citing the message of Vatican II addressed to women:

The hour is coming, in fact has come, when the vocation of woman is being acknowledged in its fullness, the hour in which women acquire in the world an influence, an effect and a power never hitherto achieved. That is why, at this moment when the human race is undergoing so deep a transformation, women imbued with a spirit of the gospel can do so much to aid humanity in not falling (MD: 1 = Mulieris dignitatem, sec. 1) 


Near the end of his meditation, however, John Paul II has defined the dignity and vocation of women in such a way as to come to the conclusion that women are equal in human dignity but that they have distinct gifts and callings from those of men. What this means for the issue of the vocation of women within the Church finally becomes clear:

In calling only men as his apostles, Christ acted in a completely free and sovereign manner. In doing so, he exercised the same freedom with which, in all his behavior, he emphasized the dignity and the vocation of women without conforming to the prevailing customs and to the traditions sanctioned by the legislation of the time (MD: 26). 


Thus, John Paul II reads the Gospels in such a way as to enforce the fact that Jesus himself endorsed a separate but equal vocation which God fundamentally assigned to men and women in the order of creation (Genesis).

John Paul II defines motherhood as the calling guaranteed to offer "fulfillment of the female personality" (MD: 17). At no point does John Paul II envision any woman as finding a fulfillment in her (divinely/humanly) calling to be an astronaut, lawyer, physicist, head-of-state, or peace-maker to a degree that might prompt her to delay or entirely set aside motherhood. Rather, based upon his reading of the theology of Genesis, motherhood and consecrated virginity (“spiritual motherhood”) remain the essential vocations of all women in all times and in all places.

The purpose of my own reflections is to examine for my daughters some of the soft spots within Mulieris dignitatem. I shall do this in three parts: (a) the vocation of every woman to be a mother; (b) how cultural transitions have altered how a man clings to his wife; (c) the implications for women of the fall in the Garden of Eden. My reflections shall cite some sources but, for the most part, they remain the meditations of a father (who happens to be a theologian) bent upon giving his daughters the best advice available on these matters—even when it necessarily rubs against and challenges the grandfatherly advice that the Holy Father would want to offer my daughters. As such, I dedicate these reflections to my daughters and to all those other daughters of Eve who will be gathering in Rome in order to celebrate the 20th anniversary of Pope John Paul II's apostolic letter on the dignity of women from the 7-9 Feb 2008.

The Vocation of Every Woman to be a Mother

Every child appreciates a mother's love. This is all the more the case when such love is given abundantly and then, due to death or some similar tragedy, love is silently withdrawn. In this regard, both Karol Wojtyla (the future John Paul II) and I share a loss which binds us together in an uncommon attachment to and grief spilled out for an absent mother. As it happened, Karol and I were the same age, eight years old, when tragedy struck.

After my mother's death, everything was transformed. I returned from school to an empty house. There was no one there to hug me and to elicit from me the little successes and tragedies which mark a young boy's daily existence. In the evenings, it was now up to me to finish preparing the supper which my father had begun that morning. It was now up to me to do the dishes. No longer would my mother sit me on a stool so that I could read to her for a half-hour while she did the dishes. Gone to were the picnics which I loved, the birthday parties which she organized, and the joyful walks in a local park. My dad, meanwhile, was depressed and withdrawn--unable to function as a caring "father" and much less like a tender "mother."

For Karol as well, the loss of a mother was not just the moment of her death, but the long, empty spaces which lingered on for years upon years thereafter. As a university student, Karol poured out this sense of absence in the following poem:


Over Your white grave
White flowers of life bloom--
Oh, how many years have gone by
Without You--how many years . . . ?

After his mother's death, the parlor in their home was shut down: "the rugs were rolled up and the furniture covered with cloth" (Szulz: 67). As in my case, this was symbolic of the large place in the heart which goes dead, atrophies, and finally decays following the death of a mother.

Within this horizon, it is not unusual for a boy to begin inadvertently to adopt "mothers" so as to fill some of the dry rot within the heart. Thus, for Karol and for me, devotion to the Mother of God was not only a religious pastime but a life-sustaining energy which kept alive what is was to be cared for and loved for oneself by one's mother. But, on the practical level, there were also other "mothers." I used to unconsciously decide upon what boys in the neighborhood would become my special friends on the basis of the degree to which the mothering within their homes was able to pour out upon me as well. At the time, I was entirely unaware of this. In my thirties, however, when the grief of loss first struck deep and violently in my life, I realized what I had been doing in selecting my playmates for those long, lonely years after my mother's death. While I have no evidence of this, I can, nonetheless, presume that something of the same thing happened to Karol while he was growing up in Kraków, Poland.

Against this background, it is no mystery to me that John Paul II would identity "motherhood" and "virginity" as the principal "dimensions of the fulfillment of the female personality" (MD: 17). Nor is it any mystery that John Paul II would first and foremost identify Mary as the one in whom "virginity and motherhood coexist" (MD: 17) whereas they are two paths for most women. The first is lived out by those women religious whose virginity "contains a profound yes in the spousal order: the gift of self for love in a total and undivided manner" (MD: 20). The second is lived out through that "gift of self" which "in marriage [which] opens to the gift of a new life, a new human being" (MD: 18). Thus, in both cases, women find their fulfillment in the gift of self to a spouse (whether human or divine) and in the nurturing of new life (physically, for some, spiritually, for both).

Had I read Mulieris dignitatem in my early thirties, I still would have been entirely satisfied with John Paul's portrayal of women's vocation. But, then, quite unexpectedly I fell into love with a woman who transformed my soul. My youth had been lived under the vision of what mothering and nurturing a woman could bring to me. My twenties had been lived under the vision of how woman could be lured into forwarding my plans, my ambitions, and my sense of self. Now, however, I was overcome by the inner mystery of woman. All my life I had been shown models of how men, in order to be real men, tame women and bend them to their wills. Now, however, it was I who was being taken in and reshaped by the woman who, for the first time, was revealing a new self to myself. The world of human relations was no longer How to Make Friends and to Influence People but was now a mystery which only the other could unfold and reveal and become.

The curious thing is that nothing of the grace or the promise of romantic love appears in Mulieris dignitatem. One is tempted to conclude that either Karol Wojtyla may have never known this kind of mutual surrender of self or that, have tasted its power, he may have drawn back and decided not to speak of such things. Thus, at this point, my experience and that of vast numbers of men and women in our society moves beyond what John Paul II is able or willing to address. In so doing, however, Mulieris dignitatem circumscribes women's vocation at the level of self-donation to a man and at the level of motherhood.

How Cultural Transitions Have Altered How a Man Clings to His Wife

Thomas Aquinas raised the question as to whether the grace of the word of wisdom and knowledge was becoming to women. His response is telling:


Speech may be employed in two ways: (a) in one way privately, to one or a few, in familiar conversation, and in this respect the grace of the word may be becoming to women; (b) in another way, publicly, addressing oneself to the whole church, and this is not permitted to women. [Why not?] 
 
[1] First and chiefly, on account of the condition attaching [sic] to the female sex, whereby women should be subject to man, as appears from Gen 3:16. . . .

[2] Second, lest men's minds be enticed to lust, for it is written: "Her conversation burneth with fire" (Sir 9:11). [The logic here is that women teaching might incite men to lustful thoughts. Would not this rule apply equally to men teaching women?]

[3] Thirdly, because as a rule women are not perfected in wisdom, so as to be fit to be entrusted with public teaching (Summa Theologica 2-2.177.2.co.) [The logic here is that every woman must be distrusted because many women are incapable of being effective teachers. Would this rule not equally apply to men?]


To the credit of John Paul II, the second and third reason have no role whatsoever within his exposition. However, it would appear that his appeal to Gen 3:16 remains the principal reason why women cannot have the same public vocation as men (at least not in the church). Thus, it is to the fall and its consequences that our attention must turn.

Relative to the two accounts of creation (Gen 1-3), John Paul II has many things to say which are exemplary at the same time that they are troubling:

In the description found in Genesis 2:18-25, the woman is created by God "from the rib" of the man and is placed at his side as another "I" as the companion of the man, who is alone in the surrounding world of living creatures and who finds in none of them a "helper" suitable for himself. Called into existence in this way, the woman is immediately recognized by the man as "flesh of his flesh and bone of his bones" (cf. Gen 2:23) and for this very reason she is called "woman." In biblical language this name indicates her essential identity with regard to man 'is issah' something which unfortunately modern languages in general are unable to express: "She shall be called woman ('issah) because she was taken out of man ('is)" (Gen 2:23).
 
The biblical text provides sufficient bases for recognizing the essential equality of man and woman from the point of view of their humanity. From the very beginning, both are persons, unlike the other living beings in the world about them. The woman is another "I" in a common humanity. From the very beginning they appear as a "unity of the two," and this signifies that the original solitude is overcome, the solitude in which man does not find "a helper fit for him" (Gen 2:20) (MD: 6).

Anyone reading this account will be struck with the "essential equality" which is recognized for both man and woman. John Paul II, to his credit, entirely avoids giving any superiority to the "man" in so far as he was formed first (as does 1 Tim 2:13). Almost immediately, however, this equality is tarnished by the fact that the entire narrative is cast from a patriarchal vantage point. Thus, it is the man who is coming to discover himself in terms of what "he needs." The Lord, in this case, appears to be quite uncertain what it is that "man needs" since, in the first instance, the creator endeavors to "make him a helpmate . . . from the soil" and produces "wild beasts" and "birds" (Gen 2:18f). Each of these is paraded before the man "to see what he would call them" (Gen 2:19). Thus, even here, the notion is that the beasts and birds are defined by the man in function of how he regards them for his own private purposes. Thus, the man is clearly lord, and the Lord serves this lord by helping him to discover what "he needs" for himself as “a helpmate.”

When it comes to the creation of the woman, therefore, the needs of the man are still central. Clearly his agenda is dominating the scene, and the Lord is searching for how to satisfy him. Then, despairing of fashioning still more creatures "out of the ground" (Gen 2:18), the Lord brings a deep sleep upon Adam and forms "a woman" from the rib taken from his side. According to the rabbis, the ancient text fails to have the woman taken from a bone in his foot such that he would step all over her or from a bone in his head such that she would dominate him. Moreover, in modern terms, one can say that Adam has to give of himself in order to ever have a "helpmate." Here again, the rabbis, spoke of the creation of the first woman, Lillith, as having been fashioned "out of the ground" but since she had received nothing essential from Adam, she went her separate way and failed to bond with Adam.

The text which stands out for me (one which John Paul II entirely overlooks) as specifying the nature of the union according to the divinely inspired author is the following: "Therefore a man leaves his father and mother and clings to his wife, and they become one flesh" (Gen 2:24). Now, in the society of the day, a man did not leave his father and mother but simply brought his wife to live within his family circle where she worked with and remained subordinate to his mother. Here, therefore, the text speaks metaphorically just as when the removal of the rib is not a physical fact (leaving men with one less rib) but a metaphorical reality. The man "clings to his wife" because he has given himself over to her. The man, consequently, is transformed by his recognition of his beloved and, as a direct result, comes to know himself in a new way, i.e., bound to his Helpmate more than he has ever been to his father and mother. "And they become one flesh" suggests sexual union, this is true. First and foremost, however, it suggests that Adam recognizes something of his lost self ("his rib") in his Beloved and that this recognition leads him to bond with his Helpmate more than he has been bonded by the flesh and blood ties with his parents.

When read from a modern vantage point, therefore, the dignity and vocation of woman being presented here is not that woman is defined by her man or by his needs. This is the way the quest begins but, as seen earlier, it utterly fails. Only when a man surrenders some essential part of himself does the "woman" appear who is able to rip him out of his self-absorption and to render secondary the paternal and maternal ties which, up to this point, have defined his being. The "woman," therefore, becomes the agent of the man's self-transcendence and self-transformation within the very process wherein she is becoming a new being, namely, his Helpmate. She belongs to him because she had given herself over to him. But he belongs to her in so far as she has reshaped his relational and interior reality.

John Paul II gets closest to this mutuality of transformation when he speaks as follows:

This also explains the meaning of the "help" spoken of in Genesis 2:18 25: "I will make him a helper fit for him." The biblical context enables us to understand this in the sense that the woman must "help" the man and in his turn he must help her first of all by the very fact of their "being human persons." In a certain sense this enables man and woman to discover their humanity ever anew and to confirm its whole meaning. We can easily understand that on this fundamental level it is a question of a "help" on the part of both, and at the same time a mutual "help." To be human means to be called to interpersonal communion. The text of Genesis 2:18 25 shows that marriage is the first and, in a sense, the fundamental dimension of this call. But it is not the only one. The whole of human history unfolds within the context of this call. In this history, on the basis of the principle of mutually being "for" the other, in interpersonal "communion," there develops in humanity itself, in accordance with God's will, the integration of what is "masculine" and what is "feminine" (MD: 7).


One can perhaps read into this that men, due to their initial socialization, are prone to give themselves over to the task of transforming their world and even of transforming people in their environment in order to serve their ends. The "man," therefore, is taught to harden himself against his feelings, his sympathy for others, in order that he might win fame, fortune, and women which abound to his glory. Then the "woman" appears who causes him to fall in love, to surrender his deepest self to be transformed by another who holds out to him his lost soul, his mysterious selfhood, his forgotten dignity which reaches far beyond the achievements which, up to this point, he has habitually used to reinforce his ego and to define his identity.

Many men never know this experience. They are frozen in the male mystique and, at their worst, women become one of their projects or playthings, and, at their best, women are patronized and pampered. Under no circumstances, however, does such a man let a woman get under his skin. Nor is he capable of letting himself go in save but a very superficial and rehearsed way. The well-known psychologist, Karl Stern, describes these hyper-active and hyper-controlled men as follows:

On getting to know these persons more intimately, one notices an extraordinary denial of feeling, a shying away from tenderness, and a fear of dependence and passivity. Not to want to be dependent or passive is in itself healthy. In fact, it is well now that psychiatrists have to deal a lot with people who crave too much dependence and passivity. Nevertheless in a normal person one must allow for a need of dependence, passivity, and protectedness. The kind of individual I am talking about here is really in terror of dependence. The very possibility of being in the least dependent or protected, or even being loved, amounts to noting less than a phantasy of mutilation or destruction. . . .

The denial of feeling is at times accompanied not only by undue activism but by undue intellectualism. . . . In fact, hyper-activist and hyper-rationalist attitudes often go together. The man in power, the executive who manages not only things but also people; the man who approaches human relationships as if they were matters of engineering; the man who acts as though he were on guard against his own heart--these types are only too well known. It goes without saying that such people may be successful in life, if we take "success" to mean material [or social] advancement. But one can frequently observe that they allow their technical or scientific or business [or theological] acumen to extend into areas of human life in which these techniques have no place. In other words, they shy away from all interior means of communion, and tend to be great believers in the mechanics and manageability of human relations (The Flight From Woman, p. 2-4).

Going beyond Stern, I would even say that such men can act the part of a Lover. When they do so, however, they are indeed "acting the part" by managing the encounter such that the deception is so complete that they themselves cannot imagine that there is any more to love or being in love. True "love can neither be planned nor managed, it can only be sown and nurtured" (Stern: 191). Thus they can never know how it is that a man in love can leave his father and mother and cling to his wife (Gen 2:24).

When I read Mulieris dignitatem, I discover the soul of a man who has lost his mother and who, despite himself, moves in a world in which he inadvertently regards the vocation of all women to be that of motherhood and of consecrated virginity (which he regards as a spiritual motherhood). When it comes to the Genesis accounts, John Paul II focuses upon the dignity and the equality of the woman whose "gift of self" provides the man with his true "helpmate." What John Paul II misses, however, are the intimations of how utterly and irrevocably the man is transformed in the process. Adam comes to the encounter seeking something for himself, something to advance his world of achievement. Even God is bent to serving his self-centered purposes. What surprises and astonishes the man, however, is how the "woman" transforms him and his social world--how he clings to her as bone of his bones because he loses himself in the mystery of her "otherness" which he cherishes and loves "for its own sake." She, in turn, reveals to him that "self" which has been lost to him. Now his inner world of feelings and "letting go" and vulnerability become lovable because they are loved by his significant Other.

These latter things are muted in the meditations of John Paul II. One suspects that he has never given himself over to any woman and, as a result, he cannot envision or imagine what such an encounter might entail. Hence, like the man who is driven by achievement and who has learned to guard himself within carefully constructed "thoughts" about life, John Paul II appears blind to those things which, in the life of most of my contemporaries, are the most precious when it comes to knowing a "woman." David Yallop, the recent biographer of John Paul II, confirms this assessment when he notes that “apart from Mother Theresa and the Virgin Mary, his [adult] understanding of women was severely limited” (The Power and the Glory, p. 404). For these reasons, Mulieris dignitatem leaves one with a truncated understanding of women. As a father, therefore, I would be wary of confiding my daughter to John Paul II when it came to forming her character as a woman. Why this is so will become clear as I reflect upon the changing experience of marriage over the last three generations.

The Changing Experience of Marriage

The traditional marriage of my grandparents had little to do with "falling in love" or with vulnerability. To begin with, there were distinct spheres of influence and division of labor. My grandfather knew nothing about cooking, cleaning, or caring for children. He left these things up to his wife just as his own father had left all these things to his mother. My grandmother, meanwhile, knew nothing about running a business, making a living, fixing things (plumbing, electricity, auto mechanics) -- she left all these things in the hands of her husband who acted much like his own father before him. Both of my grandparents came from the same social class (middle-class), the same culture (Slovenian), the same religion (Catholic); hence, when entering into marriage, there were very insignificant disruptions from the habits of thought and practices which both had been used to in their respective homes.

Where there was disruption, the tacit surmise was that the role of the wife was to accommodate to the wishes of her husband. Thus, when my grandfather (who took pride in making his own wine) insisted that he always serve wine to guests and, when there were no guests, that his wife serve him his wine, my grandmother accommodated. So, too, when my grandfather made it known that he preferred this perfume, this dress, this posture in love-making, my grandmother gracefully accommodated just as she had seen her mother do. In some things, however, my grandmother refused to accommodate. For example, she always fed her children first (from infancy onward) even if it meant that her husband had to wait for his supper. At first, there were angry outbursts. And later my grandfather fumed about this; yet, in the face of his wife's stubborn insistence that "the children come first," she finally won the day and got her husband to tolerate her "deviance" from what had been the practice during his own upbringing.

Division of labor and mutual need provided much of the bonding within traditional marriages. My grandfather, for instance, needed to eat. Since he regarded cooking as a "women's work" and never took the least interest in watching, much less learning, the rudiments of the art, he was always dependent upon a woman. First, it was his mother. Then, it was his wife. As was the tradition, they postponed their marriage until he could afford to buy a house. Thus, marriage marked the transition from his mother cooking, cleaning, ironing for him and his wife doing all these very same things. The same thing could be said for my grandmother. She regarded learning a trade and making a living as a "man's work." Thus, with her marriage, she moved from being dependent upon the income of her father to becoming dependent upon the income of her husband. At one point, my grandmother, who was superb at crocheting, was lured into selling some of her doilies to her friends. My grandfather was furious. He insisted that she give the money back. He felt ashamed that his wife was earning income as if to imply that he was not providing for her sufficiently. My grandmother, who didn't want to resort to giving her work away, developed the strategy of trading jams and other preserves. Later, she returned to the practice of accepting money and insisted that her buyers must not breathe a word of it to anybody. Thus, in a world wherein "the man was king of his castle," my grandmother had to make do, by giving in on insignificant issues, by mulishly holding her ground on important ones, and by surreptitiously avoiding my grandfather's supervision in things where he ought not to have been meddling.

How different this was from my own marriage. From the very beginning, it was clear that I could cook, clean, and iron with a pride and proficiency which rivaled that of my wife. She, from her side, was already training to enter a profession such that there was never the intimation that she would be forever dependent upon a weekly allowance that I would give to her out of my paycheck. Hence, for the very beginning, it was evident that we had great need to influence each other, to decide things together, to work cooperatively. But even more than this, we came from the same social class and the same religious tradition but from very divergent cultural and family traditions (my wife is Irish, I'm Slovenian).

Moreover, I was intent upon being in on all the delights and headaches of raising children from infancy to adulthood; yet, in point of fact, my cultural upbringing made it seem "sissy" if a boy showed interest (much less compassion) for a crying, exploring, playing child. That was "girl's stuff." Hence, I had to sympathetically watch, imitate, and get coaching from my wife who was extraordinarily adept at relating to children. I read books as well. Hence, I had ideas and experiences of my own and, with the appearance of Jessica, we spent hours discussing, persuading, negotiating how she was to be raised.

Sympathetic listening with the intent of entering into the soul of another--this is the paradigmatic skill of modern marriage. It is for this reason that the mutual surrender, the falling in love, the mutual influencing is the sine qua none for entering into such a marriage. Under my grandparents system, mutual need and spheres of influence provided the effective glue for marriage. For my wife and I, however, we wanted to only enter into marriage when we had discovered a soul-mate. Hence, romantic attraction ushering into mutual surrender fashioned the glue of our union. In this, settled instincts were being transformed quietly and quickly under the guise of the mutual love which was binding us. I had been the son of Emma and Anthony Milavec. Now, however, I was becoming the soul-mate of Linda McSparrin and romantic surrender was the graced stuff which made this transformation nearly effortless. I wanted to see the world through her eyes, to taste it as she tasted it, to touch it as she was touching it. For her it was the same. Once the period of romantic surrender wore off, both of us had arrived at a blending of our souls, our loves, our hates, our instincts, our habits for engaging in the world.

My marriage did not appear, all of a sudden, out of nowhere. Both Linda and I had parents who, to some degree broke away from the patterns of their own parents. Thus, my father-in-law has taken pride, over the years, in preparing Saturday morning breakfast. He mastered making various forms of pancakes with fried sausages and various toppings and took pride in doing so. At all other times, my mother-in-law did all the cooking and cleaning up. What is significant here is that my father-in-law's manhood was not threatened by doing this nor was my mother-in-law's importance and necessity for the family unit challenged. On the other hand, they never made meals together! In fact, they only marginally extended the boundaries of the separate spheres of their parents but failed to include any negotiating or cooperative skills which would give them any satisfaction in working together. In contrast, my wife and I enjoy cooking a meal together and regularly entertain our friends at a table in which both of us have been cooperatively engaged. Doing something cooperatively with another is always a much more complex and more rewarding affair than taking turns or entirely leaving it to one's spouse.

The trouble that I have with Mulieris dignitatem is that I never catch any real glimpse of how marriages have changed within the short span of three generations. More often than not, I get the feeling that John Paul II either has not noticed these changes or, having noticed them, has not considered them worth mentioning. If this is the case, however, I doubt whether he has understood or taken into account the stuff of my marriage. For all I know, he might be still thinking of marriage as he knew it in his formative years in Kraków--a marriage very much like that of my grandparents. The fact that he assigns the role and vocation of woman as directed towards the "gift of self" and towards motherhood gives the feeling that he is talking about my grandparents' generation. This wisdom would have admirable fit them. Today, however, I presume that my wife has a calling and a vocation within the public sphere which stands alongside her being wife and mother. Might this not have a significant bearing upon how John Paul II envisions women's role relative to the church. Like in the case of my own father, he might, under restricted circumstances, allow my wife to continue to work outside the home until the birth of her first child. But this "work" was not a true vocation; "motherhood" was and will always remain her true vocation. Fat chance, therefore, that someone fashioned within this era would be receptive to women as ordained ministers within the Catholic Church. The struggle for women in the Church may indeed be much more a question of enculturation rather than an issue of theology.

The Implications for Women of the Fall in the Garden

Within the Fathers and Doctors of the church, one finds a steady and repeated theme: the "woman" in the Garden showed herself to be weak and unreliable. Thus, she was chosen by the demon-serpent as the easier prey and, having fallen into disobedience, she deliberately used her influence to bring her "man" down with her. Thus, in the mind of the Fathers and Doctors, one has the paradigmatic case of how women must not to be trusted or given undue influence over men in general and their husbands in particular.

The whole of the Hebrew Scriptures (even while it frequently partakes in an ambivalent attitude toward women) never falls into the trap of categorically blaming women for misleading men on the basis of the Genesis account. The first time that Genesis is used to specifically expose the weakness and unreliability of women is in 1 Timothy:

I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man. . . . For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived [first], but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor (1 Tim 2:12-14).


As was pointed out in an earlier chapter, the writer of 1 Timothy wanted to use the cloak of Paul to overturn the equality of discipleship which Paul extended to Jews and Greeks, to slave and to free, to female and to male. Finding no rule given by Paul or by Jesus to stop the practice whereby some women apparently were teaching and were exercising guidance over men, the writer of 1 Timothy fell back upon scapegoating all women because of what he regarded as the permanent character of Eve in relation to Adam. The argument has two prongs: (a) Adam was formed first; hence, not only Adam but all men have a superior dignity and honor which requires that all teachers much be chosen from among them; (b) In the one case where Adam allowed Eve to "teach" him, she deceived him; hence, all men, in all places and all times, should resist the teaching and the influence of women. Despite the faulty logic of this argument, nearly all of the Fathers of the Church felt that they had a certain divine warrant to blame women and to warn men against listening to women.

John Paul II thus becomes a true father and brother to women in the Church by refusing to use 1 Tim 2:12-14 to enforce the notion that all women are to be named as gullible and unreliable due to the supposed fact that Eve fell first. In contrast, John Paul II insists that, despite the different roles played by each, both were equally culpable:

The biblical description of original sin in the third chapter of Genesis in a certain way "distinguishes the roles" which the woman and the man had in it. This is also referred to later in certain passages of the Bible, for example, Paul's Letter to Timothy: "For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor" (1 Tim 2:13-14). But there is no doubt that, independent of this "distinction of roles" in the biblical description, that first sin is the sin of man, created by God as male and female. It is also the sin of the "first parents," to which is connected its hereditary character. In this sense we call it "original sin" (MD: 9).


John Paul II, however, was not able to be consistent in maintaining this sense of equal participation, for, when it comes to considering the consequence, the "dominion" of Adam over Eve sadly replaces their original "equality." Thus, in the end, John Paul II falls into the logical fallacy of the Fathers by assuming that Adam's dominion over the Eve after the fall represents the situation which ought to prevail in every marriage (regardless of whether he happens to be wise and self-giving or gullible and selfish). The logic runs as follows:

The biblical description in the Book of Genesis outlines the truth about the consequences of man's sin, as it is shown by the disturbance of that original relationship between man and woman which corresponds to their individual dignity as persons. . . . Therefore when we read in the biblical description the words addressed to the woman: "Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you" (Gen 3:16), we discover a break and a constant threat precisely in regard to this "unity of the two" which corresponds to the dignity of the image and likeness of God in both of them. But this threat is more serious for the woman, since domination takes the place of "being a sincere gift" and therefore living "for" the other: "he shall rule over you." This "domination" indicates the disturbance and loss of the stability of that fundamental equality which the man and the woman possess in the "unity of the two": and this is especially to the disadvantage of the woman, whereas only the equality resulting from their dignity as persons can give to their mutual relationship the character of an authentic "communio personarum." While the violation of this equality, which is both a gift and a right deriving from God the Creator, involves an element to the disadvantage of the woman, at the same time it also diminishes the true dignity of the man. Here we touch upon an extremely sensitive point in the dimension of that "ethos" which was originally inscribed by the Creator in the very creation of both of them in his own image and likeness (MD: 10).

John Paul II, instead of arguing that Jesus, in his teaching and in his preferential option in favor of women, wished to return to that fundamental equality which was intended by the Divine Creator at the beginning of creation, now uses Gen 3:16 to correct both Jesus and Paul and to relegate, not only Eve, but all women to the permanent and divinely ordained condition of being subject to the authority of their husbands.

That all women at all times are "disadvantaged" and "discriminated against" thus appears to be, more or less, the natural consequence of Gen 3:16:

These words of Genesis refer directly to marriage, but indirectly they concern the different spheres of social life: the situations in which the woman remains disadvantaged or discriminated against by the fact of being a woman (MD: 10).

Immediately after this point, John Paul II makes an obscure reference to "the books of Sacred Scripture confirm . . . the actual existence of such situations and at the same time proclaim the need for conversion . . . from what offends neighbor, what 'diminishes' man . . ." (MD: 10). At this point, one would have hoped that John Paul II might have been more precise in noting that the Gospels proclaim the need for conversion from what offends and "diminishes" women --but he does not. Can it be assumed that the generic terms "neighbor" and "man" were intended to apply to "women"? One would think so. One might hope so.

Yet, while John Paul II is unclear here, he does, nonetheless, make it abundantly clear later that the domination of women by men is both necessary due to the fall and yet transitory due to the effects of salvation:

The personal resources of femininity are certainly no less than the resources of masculinity: they are merely different. Hence a woman, as well as a man, must understand her "fulfillment" as a person, her dignity and vocation, on the basis of these resources, according to the richness of the femininity which she received on the day of creation and which she inherits as an expression of the "image and likeness of God" that is specifically hers. The inheritance of sin suggested by the words of the Bible "Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you" can be conquered only by following this path. The overcoming of this evil inheritance is, generation after generation, the task of every human being, whether woman or man. For whenever man is responsible for offending a woman's personal dignity and vocation, he acts contrary to his own personal dignity and his own vocation (MD: 10).

From reading this, it would seem like the domination of women in Gen 3:16 is an "evil inheritance" which can and must be progressively overcome by the original equality affirmed by Gen 1:27. Yet, this same text can be understood to mean that the "path" to overcome "the inheritance of sin" is precisely for women to embrace their "femininity" and to submit to Gen 3:16.

In the face of John Paul's seeming fixation upon Gen 3:16b, he passes over in silence the text which comes immediately before and immediately after. The text immediately before reads as follows: "I [the Lord] will greatly increase your pangs in childbearing" (Gen 3:16a). Given the unclear lessons which John Paul II has distilled from Gen 3:16b, it remains uncertain whether he would promote natural childbirthing which does nothing to diminish the "pangs of childbirth" which fall upon Eve or, on the contrary, whether he would encourage women giving birth to use relaxation breathing and spinal blocks by way of overcoming "the inheritance of sin."

The same ambiguity greets the silence of John Paul II regarding the text immediately following which registers the consequence of the fall for the man: "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife . . . cursed is the ground because of you: in toil shall you eat of it [i.e., its fruits] all the days of your life" (Gen 3:17). Here again, it remains unclear whether John Paul II would prefer that the vocation of some men or of all men is to become farmers as was Adam. Since these words are addressed to "the man" alone, it also remains unclear whether women are permitted to assist their men in the toil of the fields. Furthermore, since Adam and Eve were vegetarians and the Lord gave only them "seed-bearing" and "green" plants for food (Gen 1:29f), a condition which would be changed only after the flood (Gen 9:2-6), one wonders whether John Paul II would advocate that humans should return to being vegetarians. Finally, since Gen 3:17 clearly places its emphasis upon "toil" and "sweat," one wonders whether subsistence farming using primitive tools appropriate to primitive men is to be advocated or whether, on the contrary, tractors, pesticides, and herbicides are to be greeted as envisioned by the Gospel as overcoming the curses of the fall.

Finally, since John Paul II is so keen to define women on the basis of the biology of the womb and his reading of the theology of Genesis, it remains puzzling why he is not equally zealous to define “man” on the basis of the biology of the penis and his reading of Genesis as essentially called to fatherhood and farming.

My purpose for imagining these problems posed by the texts which are silently passed over by John Paul II is to demonstrate the fallacy of supposing that the situations described after the fall were somehow meant to have universal application to all men and to all women down to the end of time. Nowhere in the book of Genesis does even the inspired writer(s) suppose that all times and all peoples are somehow cursed or stricken by the details specified in Gen 3:16-19. For example, in the next narrative, "Able was a keeper of sheep" (Gen 4:2)--not as a source of food but for their wool which could be sheared, combed, spun, and woven into cloth. The sacred narrator clearly does not regard Abel as having deviated from the trades assigned to his father. What is even more curious is that Cain, who is "a tiller of the ground" (Gen 4:2) like his father, finds no favor with God (Gen 4:5). In the next generation, Cain's son, Enoch, "built a city" (Gen 4:17)--a situation which demands hundreds of arts and crafts which go beyond farming. Where did all these people and crafts come from? Clearly, Genesis is not to be read literally here. One has, in three generations, the sort of progress which took more than three hundred generations but which, the divine author wants to encapsulate within the dynamics of a few representative generations the advances and the further woes which the progress of civilization advanced. Remember, for instance, that Adam and Eve had not introduced "murder" into the world but that it was Cain. Hence, when Genesis is read within the context of Genesis, the sacred author himself clearly does not want to assign every evil and every woe to Adam or Eve. At best, therefore, the reflections of John Paul II are curiously antiquated. At worst, they are selective and self-serving. Hence, if I am aware of these things, would I be a worthy father and trustworthy guide for my daughters if I did not alert them to the severe limitations within the pope’s commentary on these very same things?

Conclusions

John Paul II grew up within my grandparents' era. He knows their life values, their hopes, their dreams. For this generation, John Paul II is an able father and guide. When it comes to my generation and my marriage, I fear that John Paul II understands little or else he values little what we have tried to achieve. The vague dream of equality which John Paul II holds out to women is the central tenet of my marriage and those in my generation who share our values. Within this world, many women have the vocation of motherhood, a few have the vocation of virginity, but all have the deep stirring of the Spirit which calls them to be engineers, mail carriers, deacons, scientists, child psychologists, priests, cab drivers, theologians, social reformers, bishops. This world has overtaken the world of my grandparents, just as it has overtaken the world of John Paul II. My grandfather would have vigorously resisted the modern expansion of women's vocations; hence, it is no surprise that John Paul II, with his grandfatherly understanding of the world would do the same.

In the end, the sad truth is that I would not entrust my daughter to the guidance of this "grandfather" when it came to matters of women's vocation, of women's femininity, or women's sexuality. I would have her love him dearly and to listen to his stories and to become familiar, through him, of where her forebears once were but, urged on by the call to progress which is mixed in with the leading Spirit of God, have left forward. Thus my daughter would come to understand the love in her grandfather's eyes as the real token of his love and affection. As for his practical guidance and wisdom, however, she would know that he fails to address her world and her dreams since everything he knows has been fashioned within the settled instincts and sources of grace which he knows. When the world is quite stable from one generation to the next, then the elders have only to transmit the wisdom which came from their youth since the present generation has substantially the same experience of growing up. When cultures change, however, the wisdom of the elders fails. Thus, with some sadness, my daughter must discover that the wisdom of John Paul II almost certainly will not be able to nourish and guide her soul. Jesus, keenly aware of how his wisdom hungered for God's future and clashed with the religious norms of the past, had this to say:


And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; otherwise, the wine will burst the skins, and the wine is lost, and so are the skins; but one puts new wine into fresh wineskins (Mark 2:22).

Copyright © 2008 by Aaron Milavec

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RE: Women as Mothers - 16/02/2008 09:43:07 ( #79 )
Bart Ehrman in the book  Misquoting Jesus and the book Peter, Paul and Mary Magdalene and Bishop John Spong in Sins Of Scripture also discuss this issue of gender equality.
 
Kenneth Davis also has some great insights in his book about the Bible too, I listed it in Book and Movie Suggestions---a humorous and also learned book, easy to read and thoughtful as well as fun.
 
Your article is excellent and very important.  Thank you!
 
1.   Pope John Paul II is WRONG about "In calling only men as apostles."  NOT SO.  Jesus called MANY very IMPORTANT Women Apostles too and Paul calls JUNIA  WOMAN Apostle  Foremost Among the Apostles.
 
2. Augustine is WRONG.  Women are praised by Jesus and chosen by Jesus to PUBLICALLY SPEAK the Gospel to all the assembly:  Mary Magdalene and Samaritan Woman.
 
Paul praises WOMEN for SPEAKING Outloud to ALL the ASSEMBLY.  To all the community.   So Augustine is WRONG claiming women can not speak in public or teach Gospel, faith in public.
 
Have you had a chance to see Ehrman's work or Davis or Stephen O'Shea's book re Cathars (good!) or Spong's book?  Also what do you think of how women ARE really Apostles too and women are not told to be silent--these silencing passages are seen by most theologians and scholars as later scribal tampering--additions, insertions not original to the text or to the original writings of the Gospel or Paul.                                In the joy and love of Jesus and Catholic Christianity and faith, Connie
 
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RE: Women as Mothers - 16/02/2008 09:45:41 ( #80 )
I am busy with the kids however when I get a chance I will look up the Paul quote re praising women for speaking outloud to all the assembly. Very clear women are not to be silenced or restricted in the actions of the church and the roles of church.  Romans also has lots of apostle women references too.  Connie
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