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RE: Ecumenism, Inter-religious Dialogue and Pope Benedi... - 16/9/2008 12:54:17 AM   
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the sublime translation
by sikeena Karmali
Ascent Magazine

laleh bakhtiar reaches back to the original intentions of language & creates a new inclusivity for the qur’an.

essay & interview by sikeena karmali.


photo by sally ryan

The Holy Qur’an appears in my life on a regular basis. I hear it sung in the most beautiful of serpentine melodies during ceremonies to mark deaths, births and weddings. When listening to poetry and music, I recognize quotes from it. Even in my travels, it is ever present. On the minaret of a Friday mosque in Kasgar China, I find the Arabic alphabet rendered most astonishingly to resemble Mandarin calligraphy. At the Blue Mosque in Istanbul, I find verses of the Qur’an etched on the dome in a splendour of blue tiles. In my daily prayers, I recite Arabic verses from it, the English meanings of which I memorized as a child. After long years of studying Arabic and simultaneously navigating geographic and social spheres where it was the principal language of communication, I have made linguistic and grammatical sense of what I have been reciting several times a day for over thirty years.

The interpretation and practice of the Tariqa or path of Islam to which I belong is by all accounts extremely progressive. I was appointed, for the duration of one year, to lead a special Majalis, or religious and educational gathering especially for women (to which men are not permitted entry), which has its roots in the Fatimid traditions of the tenth century. It is noteworthy that in our contemporary practice, there is no Majalis exclusively for men to which women are not permitted entry.

Very recently, I began reciting “signs” (verses from chapters of the Qur’an) on important religious occasions such as the Eid al-Adha, which marks the sacrifice of the Prophet Abraham of his Ishmael. Even in our tradition, it is quite a new thing to have a young woman stand before a congregation of the faithful and belt out the sacred melodic poetry of the Qur’an. The spiritual and symbolic magnitude of these moments is unmistakeable.

The other young women in my community and I, who have not subscribed to the traditional gender roles of Muslim women that focus mainly on creating and nurturing family, are not just challenging the stereotype — we are breaking it. And we are doing so among Muslim communities as well as in the face of the West, which insists on painting us as either legless victims or disenfranchised angry women. Many of us imagine ourselves as clearing the path for a sisterhood to come, so that the generation of Muslim women after us shall have the privilege of leading lives and making choices, both religious and secular, without the burden of providing a complicated explanation every time they speak out or stay silent.

Understandably then, when I heard that an Iranian-American woman had written a progressive, inclusive and linguistically consistent translation of the Qur’an, I was rather excited. There has been a susurrus of disapproval buzzing around Laleh Bakhtiar’s recent English translation, The Sublime Qur’an. The Islamic Society of North America’s (ISNA) Canadian secretary general, Muneer Fareed, made a statement that he would consider banning her translation. However, he was quickly overstepped by Ingrid Mattson, ISNA’s American president, who apologized for his statements and publicly acknowledged Dr. Bakhtiar’s authority as an Islamic scholar as well as the legitimacy of her translation of the Qur’an.

It is curious that people are contesting the authority of Dr. Bakhtiar, a scholar, writer, translator, editor and publisher of awe-inspiring accomplishment, to translate the Qur’an. Not only is she a uniquely renowned and celebrated scholar of Sufism, but she has founded a whole new school of psychology merging Gurdjieff’s Enneagram with its roots in thirteenth-century central Asian Sufi Tariqas to develop a methodology for modern healing. In addition, she is the author of over fourteen books ranging in topic from Sufism, to the Prophet Muhammad (may peace and blessings be upon him), to the esteemed fourteenth-century scholar Al-Ghazzali. She has also translated over twenty-five books, including Fatima is Fatima and Iqbal: Manifestation of the Islamic Spirit, as well as adapting the Encyclopaedia of Islamic Law.

The language of the Qur’an is not didactic but poetic, and therefore open to many different kinds and even levels of translation, from literal to symbolic to esoteric. This diversity of interpretation creates a diversity of belief that necessitates tolerance and openness. However, as is the case with most religious traditions, orthodox interpretations of the faith often challenge or even reject more progressive and liberal readings of the same text.

In the case of The Sublime Qur’an, the controversy largely concerns chapter 4 (Surah), verse (Ayah or Sign) 34 of the Holy Qur’an. Dr. Bakhtiar reverts the translation of the Arabic word dharhaba, translated for centuries by Muslim clerics as “to beat,” back to its original meaning of “to go away.” This is nothing short of revolutionary for empowering Muslim women in traditional societies, where a system of patriarchy cites the absolute authority of the Qur’an as the legitimizing factor for domestic abuse. Any educated man or woman who has studied the Qur’an and understood that it elevated, in the seventh century, womankind as equal to, if not higher than, mankind knows that the problem is not with the Qur’an itself. Rather, the problem lies with interpretation by a specific group, with its own values, to serve a particular agenda.

Dr. Bakhtiar’s desire to be inclusive and to tolerate multiple points of view and diverse paths has perhaps been born out of her experience as the daughter of an American mother and Iranian father who was “not religious, but spiritual, devoting his life as a physician to help to heal the suffering of people.” Dr. Bakhtiar was raised a Catholic and did not convert to Islam until the age of twenty-four when she moved to Iran and studied Islam under Seyyed Hossein Nasr.

She speaks at length about the “inclusiveness” of her translation and by implication of her vision or understanding of Islam, which eschews the narrow orthodoxy that is so often associated with Islam by those who judge it only from the symptoms of the acute socio-political upheavals taking place in many Muslim countries.

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Sikeena Karmali:  Let’s begin by talking a little about the translation process. It can become quite complex, not just from the point of view of deriving and disseminating meaning across language from the actual text itself but also, in the case of sacred religious or canonical texts, questions of authority and legitimacy. Let’s take the example of Mowlana Jalal Uddin Rumi or simply Rumi, as he is called in the West. Many of his fans do not even know that he was a devout Muslim, a Mowlana and the founder of an entire tradition of Sufi mysticism. Although the more popular translations eschew these passages, his writing refers frequently to the Qur’an and even quotes from it.

Laleh Bakhtiar:  People often forget that Rumi actually wrote in Persian. American scholars and poets who have translated his work have done a great service in introducing his ideas to the public; so much so that, for a long time, he was the best-selling poet in America. But the major translator of Rumi does not speak a word of Persian. He worked with a Persian who is very well versed in Rumi — this is what people say — and then because he was a poet he was able to put it into poetic language.

Rumi’s poems are recreations, another kind of translation that is perfectly acceptable. So, whereas Rumi became extremely popular, the original idea of what he was saying has not necessarily come across. As you have said, for instance, how often he refers to Qur’anic verses or to the life of the Prophet (peace be upon Him) because this puts a religious tinge on it. And in fact, Rumi did not “write” the poetry. He whirled as he was reciting it and his disciples wrote it down. This was an amazing opening of the spiritual world, of intuition.

SK:  Can you tell us about your own translation process?

LB:  I’ve translated twenty-five books, so I have a great deal of experience with translation. I used to begin at the beginning of a book and go to the end. Thinking back on that, I realized that the translations I had done probably lacked internal consistency. The same word was not always translated the same way, when the context allowed, because when I got to the middle of the work, I’d forget about what word I used at the beginning and put a synonym. For one Arabic word, the reader finds maybe five, six, seven English synonyms, so they’re thinking that this is a new word rather than understanding that this is the same word that was previously used. If you’re doing a normal translation, then nobody is really bothered by that. But when you want to translate a sacred text like the Qur’an into English, so that people can learn the Arabic from the English, then you need to be consistent.

SK:  Well, language is given great prominence in the Qur’an, so much so that Muslim culture extols the pen as being mightier than the sword. How did you get around this labyrinth of words and meanings?

LB:  I determined that I would begin with the words first. There is a very well-known Arabic lexicon, al-muj’in al mufahris. It lists all the nouns and verbs and some particles in the Qur’an, and then it includes a part of each verse. I began with that seven years ago. And at that time my computer did not have an Arabic program. I had to first transliterate the word into English characters to begin making a database of the words. That took quite a long time.

Two years into it, I was talking to a friend and I thought I had come up with a new method of translation. I was a little concerned because I wasn’t sure if it would work, but I thought it was like a social science experiment. My friend told me that was how they translated the King James version of the Bible. The method is called “formal equivalent” and it is the most objective kind of translation because you use the same word every time [it occurs], if the context allows. This gives a consistency to the translation, which is often lacking when translators start at the beginning and go to the end.

So this is the method that I used and through this I was able to maintain internal consistency; but at the same time I also used language that was all-inclusive. Arabic is so rich that there are many different words you can use for [the translation of] a word. I always chose the word that would be most inclusive of people of all faiths.

SK:  In your book, Sufi: Expressions of the Mystic Quest, you say that, “The Virgin Mary and the miracle of the virgin birth of Christ, the Word of God, as contained in the Qur’an, are important Sufi symbols of aspects of the Truth: for the birth of the Word to the Virgin Mary is as the birth of the Word to the unlettered Prophet. The miracle of Islam is the Qur’an as the miracle of Christianity is the Christ.” 1 Just as the symbol and icon of the Virgin Madonna has shaped not only the religious but also the social and cultural imagination of Christendom, so language has shaped the religious and cultural consciousness of the Muslim world.

LB:  Yes, the greatest miracle of Islam that was given to the Prophet Muhammad (may peace and blessings be upon him) is the Qur’an. And the Qur’an itself means recitation. The Qur’an was the basis for the development of Islamic literature, arts and architecture, where so much of the calligraphy appears on the mounts. Everybody throughout Islamic civilization has been inspired one way or another by the Qur’an.

As the word Qur’an itself means to be recited, it was an oral tradition. The Qur’an was the first book-length book in the Arabic language. There is a strong oral tradition in the Islamic world, and the literate people of the past would be able to recite Rumi, Hafiz, Saadi, or any of the other great poets of the Persian language. So it is one of those wonderful things that happens in the Islamic world today, where you can recite a line of poetry in response to somebody … and maybe you’re a general in the army and he is a taxi driver, yet he can recite back to you the next line.

SK:  Given this strong oral tradition, did you find it a challenge to translate the “poetry” of the Qur’an?

LB:  The Arabic of the Qur’an is the spiritual message. No matter how you try to find the poetry and the rhythm in it, you can never succeed. A translation is just that: a translation. It is never comparable to the original. A person receives spiritual blessings from reading it in Arabic, listening to the recitation of it in Arabic, or reciting it in the Arabic language. So we’re at a second tier when you talk about interpretations or translations or anything of that sort. What happens with translations is that those people — extremists for instance — who rely on a traditional interpretation can go to these and find whatever they are looking for.

SK:  Muslims are told to use aql, the faculty of their intellect, to understand the miracle of the Word of God. Do you feel that you have given contemporary Muslims, both men and women, both in the East and the West, the gift of your Sublime Qur’an to interpret for ourselves?

LB:  I just wanted the English-speaking audience to be able to know exactly what the words say without any interpretation. There isn’t a translation in the English language where a person can read exactly what the words are at the basic level, not the esoteric level of mysticism and not the more orthodox literal level. I object to many of the versions of the Qur’an over the centuries where the translator gives his own interpretation. The Qur’an is eternal and universal for all humankind at all times.

The language of the Qur’an is not didactic but poetic, and therefore open to many different kinds and even levels of translation, from literal to symbolic to esoteric.

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Sikeena Karmali was born in Nairobi, Kenya, and educated in Canada, the US, Italy and Egypt. From 1994 to 2004 she worked in the fields of international development and human rights. She now lives in Vancouver, and is writing her second novel, The Mulberry Courtesan. 

http://www.ascentmagazine.com/articles.aspx?articleID=278&issueID=37
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RE: Ecumenism, Inter-religious Dialogue and Pope Benedi... - 18/9/2008 5:14:09 PM   
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Debate over role of 'bishop' in apostolic succession is a church-dividing issue
By RICHARD P. McBRIEN
The National Catholic Reporter
September 19, 2008


Richard P. McBrien

To say that the church is “apostolic” means that it continues to be faithful to the word, worship, witness and service of the apostles.

The church preaches the same Gospel. It celebrates the same sacraments. It is the sign and instrument of God’s saving presence in our midst. And it carries on the ministry of the apostles on behalf of the poor and those in need.

But it is one thing to affirm the connection between the present-day church and the church of the apostles. It is quite another to explain the basis of that connection. In what sense is the church of today in “apostolic succession” with the church of the first century of the Christian era?

Before all else, we must reject the simplistic, mechanistic notion of apostolic succession, what some have derisively referred to as the passing-the-baton theory.

This understanding of apostolic succession, which many Catholics continue to believe, assumes that each validly ordained Catholic bishop can trace his episcopal consecration in an unbroken line back to one of the original apostles or to the apostles collectively.

Jesuit Fr. Francis Sullivan, my former professor of ecclesiology at the Pontifical Gregorian University and currently professor at Boston College, offers two reasons for opposing such a view.

First, the apostles were not bishops in the present-day meaning of the word. They were missionaries and founders of local churches. There is no evidence, nor is there likely ever to be any evidence, that any of the apostles took up permanent residence in a particular church, or diocese, as its bishop.

Second, although some local churches had pastoral leaders who were called bishops (see the Acts of the Apostles 20:17-35, especially verse 28), it remains unclear whether these “bishops” were actually appointed or ordained by the apostle Paul or by any other apostle.

“The New Testament,” Fr. Sullivan writes, “offers no support for a theory of apostolic succession that supposes the apostles appointed or ordained a bishop for each of the churches they founded.”

Nor does the Didache (“The Teaching”), an ancient book of basic instructions for Christians, contain any “suggestion that such pastoral officers would derive their authority in any way from a founding apostle.”

Pope St. Clement’s letter to the Corinthians, known as 1 Clement, written 30 years after St. Paul’s death, indicates that the church in Corinth was being led by a group of presbyters (priests), with no indication of a bishop.

Not even St. Ignatius of Antioch, who is a major source for our knowledge of the organization of the early church, suggests that “he saw his episcopal authority as derived from the mandate Christ gave to the apostles. ... He never invoked the principle of apostolic succession to explain or justify the role and authority of bishops.”

“One conclusion seems obvious,” Fr. Sullivan writes. “Neither the New Testament nor early Christian history offers support for a notion of apostolic succession as ‘an unbroken line of episcopal ordination from Christ through the apostles down through the centuries to the bishops of today.’ ”

But this is not to say that the doctrine of apostolic succession is without any theological or historical basis. It is just that this particular explanation of it is not valid.

Consequently, Catholic theologians today would insist that Vatican II’s declaration that apostolic succession is “by divine institution” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church) should not be taken to mean that Christ explicitly determined the episcopal structures of the local churches, or dioceses.

Although almost all Christians would agree that apostolicity involves a succession in the faith of the apostles and a sharing in their mission to proclaim the Gospel to the ends of the earth, many Protestant churches and ecclesial communities would not go beyond that.

On the other hand, Anglicans and the separated churches of the East would agree with the Catholic church that duly ordained bishops are an essential component of the doctrine of apostolic succession, as is the Eucharist itself.

To be sure, considerable progress has been made since Vatican II in lessening the gap between Catholic and non-Catholic understandings of apostolic succession. Nevertheless, Fr. Sullivan points out, “apostolic succession in the episcopate remains a church-dividing issue.”

Alas, it remains even a source of debate within the Catholic church itself, given the differing interpretations offered by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on the one side, and by many Catholic theologians on the other.

Fr. Richard McBrien is the Crowley-O’Brien professor of theology at the University of Notre Dame.
National Catholic Reporter September 19, 2008
 
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RE: Ecumenism, Inter-religious Dialogue and Pope Benedi... - 22/9/2008 3:53:14 PM   
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Bermuda Likely to End Ban on Women Priests
by George Conger
Religious Intelligence
September 20, 2008

Bermuda’s ban on women priests will likely end this year, as the two candidates for bishop have announced their support for introducing women clergy to the island.

Canon Patrick White and Archdeacon Andrew Doughty, who are standing for election as bishop next week at a special meeting of the diocesan synod in both announced their support for overturning the diocese’s male-only rule for priests and deacons. The outgoing Bishop, the Rt Rev Ewen Ratteray who retired to Yorkshire in March, was an Anglo-Catholic traditionalist opposed the ordination of women.

Bermuda is an extra-provincial diocese of the Anglican Communion under the jurisdiction of the Archbishop of Canterbury, and is the last diocese under Dr Williams’ metropolitan jurisdiction to forbid the ordination of women to the priesthood. Confirmation of the election of a Bishop of Bermuda is made by the Archbishop of Canterbury.

"The Anglican Church of Bermuda is called to reflect God's kingdom by becoming an inclusive church where all people are welcomed and where all may find communion and absolution – mercy, nourishment and healing. Our ordained ministry shall reflect our people and our congregations,” Archdeacon Doughty said in a statement distributed to the synod delegates.

"Our clergy and ministry teams shall include blacks and whites, but also women and men, Bermudians and non-Bermudians,” he said, adding that he believed “that the ordination of women to the diaconate and the priesthood must be made an immediate priority.”

The archdeacon also said Bermuda should amend its human rights laws to include “sexual orientation in its protections. Discrimination of any kind is unacceptable in our Island or within our Anglican Church. We believe in a God of mercy and justice – a God of non-discrimination and wholeness."

Canon White took a more moderate line saying “many Anglicans in Bermuda have been saying for some time that we need to reconsider our policy of not ordaining women.

"I hear that, and will go on record as saying I think we should proceed. However, I will also go on record as saying this must be a church decision taken only after we have listened to one another and concluded together that this is the right thing for us to do.”

However, he warned that the church should not focus solely on this issue to the exclusion of men, saying the Anglican Church should build up its men’s ministries. “We also need to do more for and with our men than invite them to business meetings. Life is the business of the church and not vice-versa."

An amendment to the ordination canons in Bermuda, however, must be made by the diocesan synod and approved by the bishop and the archbishop.


http://www.religiousintelligence.co.uk/news/?NewsID=2822

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RE: Ecumenism, Inter-religious Dialogue and Pope Benedi... - 25/9/2008 5:38:55 PM   
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Anglican archbishop comes under fire for homily at Lourdes
By Simon Caldwell
Catholic News Service
September 24, 2008

LONDON (CNS) -- Anglican Archbishop Rowan Williams of Canterbury, England, has come under fire for his homily during a pilgrimage to the Marian sanctuaries in Lourdes, France.
 

Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams

Archbishop Williams, leader of the worldwide Anglican Communion, said in a homily during a Sept. 24 international Mass at Lourdes that when Mary appeared to St. Bernadette Soubirous in 1858 "she came at first as an anonymous figure, a beautiful lady, a mysterious thing, not yet identified as the Lord's spotless mother.

"And Bernadette -- uneducated, uninstructed in doctrine -- leaped with joy, recognizing that here was life, here was healing," he said. "Only bit by bit does Bernadette find the words to let the world know; only bit by bit, we might say, does she discover how to listen to the Lady and echo what she has to tell us."

He also praised the lives of the saints, saying that their examples "matter so much."

The archbishop later was criticized by the England-based Protestant Truth Society, a group of Anglicans and nonconformists committed to upholding the ideals of the Protestant Reformation.

The Rev. Jeremy Brooks, the group's director of ministry, said: "All true Protestants will be appalled that the archbishop of Canterbury has visited Lourdes and preached there.

"Lourdes represents everything about Roman Catholicism that the Protestant Reformation rejected, including apparitions, Mariolatry and the veneration of saints," he said in a Sept. 24 statement. "The archbishop's simple presence there is a wholesale compromise, and his sermon -- which included a reference to Mary as 'the mother of God' -- is a complete denial of Protestant orthodoxy."

He added, "At a time when our country is crying out for clear biblical leadership, it is nothing short of tragic that our supposedly Protestant archbishop is behaving as little more than a papal puppet."

Archbishop Williams was invited to the sanctuaries, where Mary appeared to St. Bernadette 150 years ago, by Bishop Jacques Perrier of Tarbes and Lourdes. His visit is the first in modern times by an archbishop of Canterbury. Archbishop Williams held talks there with German Cardinal Walter Kasper, president of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, who celebrated the international Mass.

Archbishop Williams was joined by an unprecedented pilgrimage of 10 Church of England bishops, some 60 Anglican priests and about 400 Anglican lay worshippers
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http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0804863.htm

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RE: Ecumenism, Inter-religious Dialogue and Pope Benedi... - 25/9/2008 5:39:04 PM   
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Dear friends,

The story about Dr. Rowan Williams provides an excellent segue to explain an important element in the case for women priests.  It has to do with Mary.

A study of Tradition recovers evidence which shows a deep understanding and devotion to her as a priest.  Our thread, Mary: Model Priest, The First Priest After Christ   creates dedicated space for dialogue and learning about this.  I encouage you to explore it.  In it you learn about the saints, bishops, theologians and spiritual authors who have written about Mary’s priesthood and whose writings are -- to a limited extent -- documented on our web site. This chronological list is not intended to reflect the devotion to Mary as Priest in a complete or exhaustive fashion. But it does give an idea as to how widespread this devotion has been and as to its continuity throughout the ages. The increase in testimonies in later centuries does not arise so much from growth in the devotion as from the fact that such testimonies are much more difficult to obtain from earlier times.


Mary wearing a bishop’s pallium (6th to14th centuries)
Why is this significant? Only bishops were allowed to wear the ecclesiastical pallium. And they wore it only when exercising their distinctly priestly ministry at the Eucharist or during solemn liturgies. 


The dedicated section in our document library to Mary, Priest, is located here: http://www.womenpriests.org/mrpriest/mpr_ovr.asp

If you have any questions, please let me know.

with love and blessings,

~Sophie~

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RE: Ecumenism, Inter-religious Dialogue and Pope Benedi... - 25/9/2008 6:13:21 PM   
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Williams first Archbishop of Canterbury to visit Lourdes
cathnews.com
September 25, 2008



Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams yesterday made the first visit of a leader of the Church of England to the Catholic shrine at Lourdes.

Dr Williams said the story of Bernadette Soubirous, the 19th century French peasant girl whose visions of Mary led to the founding of the shrine, provided hope for those who were attempting to spread the Christian faith, The Guardian reports.

He added that the experience of coming to a holy place "soaked in the hopes and prayers of millions" could help people grasp the "deep and mysterious" joy of God.

Dr Williams' pilgrimage to the holy site coincides with the 150th anniversary of St Bernadette's visions and follows Pope Benedict's visit to the shrine earlier this month.

"Bernardette's neighbours and teachers and parish clergy knew all they thought they needed to know about the Mother of God - and they needed to be surprised by this inarticulate, powerless, marginal teenager who had leapt up in the joy of recognition to meet Mary as her mother, her sister, bearer of her Lord and Redeemer," Archbishop Williams said during a sermon at the international mass at Lourdes celebrated by Cardinal Walter Kasper, president of the Vatican's pontifical council for the promotion of Christian unity. He added: "Our prayer here must be that, renewed and surprised in this holy place, we may be given the overshadowing strength of the Spirit to carry Jesus wherever we go, in the hope that joy will leap from heart to heart in all our human encounters. And that we may also be given courage to look and listen for that joy in our own depths when the clarity of the good news seems far away and the sky is cloudy."

The Daily Mail says that Dr Williams made his visit, at the personal invitation of the Catholic Bishop of Tarbes and Lourdes, Jacques Perrier, who indicated that Anglican and Catholic leaders remain committed to closer relations in spite of differences over the ordination of women and sexually-active gay men as priests and bishops.

Father Graeme Rowlands, a north London Anglican vicar and the organiser of the pilgrimage, said Dr Williams was making the visit of his own volition. "It was his decision to go on pilgrimage to Lourdes and nobody else's," said Father Rowlands.  "It was his devotion to Our Lady in the end really that persuaded him to go. He has a very genuine devotion to Our Lady."

http://www.cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=9089

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RE: Ecumenism, Inter-religious Dialogue and Pope Benedi... - 27/9/2008 2:25:08 AM   
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Learn from Luther: Kasper
cathnews.com
September 25, 2008



Catholics can learn from the 16th-century Protestant reformer Martin Luther, Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity head, Cardinal Walter Kasper says.

Cardinal Kasper made the comments as Protestant churches in Germany prepare to launch a 10-year series of events leading up to the 500th anniversary in 2017 of the Lutheran Reformation, Ekklesia reports. In an interview published in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung newspaper, Cardinal Walter Kasper encouraged Catholics to read Luther's commentaries on the Bible, and his "hymns full of spiritual power", the German Protestant news agency epd reported.

"One will then discover a Luther who is full of the power of faith, whom one cannot simply make Catholic, whom we find provoking and even alien in many respects, but from whom even Catholics can learn," said Kasper, who has been president of the Vatican's Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity since 2001.

In his interview, Cardinal Kasper said he hoped Catholics would "get to know Luther better and not just interpret him from his polemical writings, still less from a few sentences taken out of context". The cardinal said he also hoped Protestantism would return to the faith of Martin Luther, "who would have been deeply averse to all of today's liberal tendencies". 

Germany's biggest Protestant grouping, the Evangelical Church in Germany (EKD), last week launched its Luther Decade with a service at the castle church in Wittenberg, where Luther is said to have nailed his 95 theses to the door on 31 October 1517. It was this event that set in train Luther's breach with the Catholic Church.

A series of events, seminars and exhibitions are planned for the Luther Decade, which will continue until 2017 and is intended to remember "the epoch-making significance and impact of the Reformation", the EKD said.

The EKD notes that the September 2008 starting date for the Luther Decade has a specific historical background in that Luther arrived in Wittenberg for the first time in the second half of 1508. He then taught as an Augustinian monk in the newly founded Wittenberg University. 

SOURCE

We can learn from Luther too, says top Cardinal (Ekklesia, 25/9/08)

LINKS

Martin Luther website
Martin Luther (Wikipedia)
Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity
German Evangelical Church

http://www.cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=9187

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RE: Ecumenism, Inter-religious Dialogue and Pope Benedi... - 27/9/2008 2:37:31 AM   
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Dear friends,

Speaking of our friends the Lutherans!

Among the seven reasons identified as to why women can and should receive the sacrament of Holy Orders (for more about the seven, click here: http://www.womenpriests.org/preasons.asp) the fact that women's ordination is supported by developments in other Christian Churches is significant.  Reason #6 reads as follows:



6. The wider Church accepts women priests: After serious study and prayer other Christian Churches now ordain women as priests. Though not everything other Churches do can be accepted by the Catholic Church, this converging consensus by believing Christians confirms that ordaining women is according to the mind of Christ.


The Second Vatican Council teaches that the Catholic Church must learn
from other Christian Churches.  For instance, we read:

  • All who have been justified by faith in baptism are incorporated into Christ. They are rightly called Christians. With good reason they are accepted as brothers and sisters by the children of the Catholic Church. (Ecumenism § 3)
  • Many of the most significant elements and gifts which together go to build up and give life to the Church itself, can exist outside the Catholic Church. (Ecumenism § 3)
  • Christ summons the Church, as she walks her pilgrim way, to continual reformation, a reformation of which she always has need. (Ecumenism § 5)


    In other Christian Churches women are now being given access to all the ordained ministries. It applies not only to evangelical churches, but to some mainstream churches close to Catholic tradition, such as the Old Catholics, the Methodists, the Anglicans & Episcopalians.


    See examples here.

    Admitting women to the ministries is the outcome of a long process of prayer and study by our Christian brothers and sisters. Their truly Christian motivation and their genuine search for establishing what Jesus really wanted can be read in the publication of many classic works.


    While Dr. Wijngaards points out that the example of the other Christian Churches does not prove the correctness of ordaining women in an absolute fashion, it is nonetheless a serious indication that this is the path the Holy Spirit urges also on the Catholic Church.
     
    If you have any questions, please let me know.
     
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    A recent example of leadership by our Lutheran sisters and brothers!

    ELCIC Bishop
    Susan C. Johnson Installed

    February 9, 2008







    The New ELCIC Bishop was the assistant to the bishop for the Eastern Synod (Ontario and Eastern provinces).

    October 2, 2007

    Ordination, Consecration and
    Installation of New ELCIC National Bishop a Joyous Celebration


    Amid the roar of thunderous applause filling the sanctuary of Lutheran Church of the Cross, Winnipeg, Rev. Susan C. Johnson was acclaimed as the fourth National Bishop of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada (ELCIC) on September 29, 2007.

    "Receive Susan as a messenger of God, pray for her, stand with her in witness to Christ," said retiring Bishop Raymond L. Schultz, presiding at the service. "Receive her as a messenger of Christ," he continued, "a fellow servant in God's everlasting household of peace. Thanks be to God!" Over 300 people filled the church which is located in downtown Winnipeg. The service began with a lengthy and brightly coloured procession of vested clergy who were greeted with the hymn, Open Now Thy Gates of Beauty.

    "This is the day the Lord has made," declared Archbishop Fred Hiltz of the Anglican Church of Canada (ACC) as he delivered the sermon. "Let us rejoice and be glad in it!"

    The newly installed Primate, who was also elected to his position in June at the ACC General Synod said he was, "humbled and honoured by the opportunity," to preach at the ordination and consecration service for Bishop Johnson. "I hope this marks the beginning of a long and happy relationship as partners in ministry. Called... not only to provide leadership in our respective churches but to call them, by our example, into yet Fuller Communion in the service of the Gospel and in the Spirit of Jesus who prays we all may be one, as he and the Father are one."

    As part of the service, Bishop Johnson was presented with four signs of ministry.

    Don and Lois Johnson, parents of Bishop Johnson, presented a Bible and asked her to, "remember to learn and live the Holy Scripture as a trustworthy steward of God's holy mysteries."

    Bishop Michael Pryse of the Eastern Synod, place a pectoral cross around the new bishop's neck and called on her to remember her service to Christ, "crucified, risen and passionate for the life of the world."

    Archbishop Hiltz presented the bishop's staff and asked Bishop Johnson to remember that she shepherds, "Christ's flock on behalf of God."

    The bishop's ring was presented by Dr. Joy Johnson, Bishop Johnson's sister, who noted that the ring was a sign of her office and prayed that Bishop Johnson's love, word and witness to the church would be God's love, word and life for our time.

    A full festival choir, complete with clarinet, oboe, flute, french horn, bassoon, and percussion accompanied the clearly celebratory hymns that were selected for the occasion. The hymns and songs were from Evangelical Lutheran Worship, the ELCIC's new hymnal.

    Breaking with the well-structured service, Bishop Johnson addressed those in attendance, thanking all who took part in the service for the joyous celebration as she declared that she will, "do all [she] can to move [the ELCIC] into the future."

    The entire service was video-taped and it is hoped that a commemorative DVD (approximately 10 minutes in length) will be available for purchase. Further information will be forwarded once available.

    A photo montage of the service is available on the Bishop's Page on the ELCIC website: http://elcic.ca/From-the-Bishop/Ordination.cfm
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    The Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada is Canada's largest Lutheran denomination with 174,555 baptized members in 620 congregations. It is a member of the Lutheran World Federation, the Canadian Council of Churches and the World Council of Churches.

    Material provided through ELCIC Information is intended for reproduction and redistribution by recipients in whatever manner they may find useful.

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    The Evangelical Lutheran Church of Canada is in full communion with the Anglican Church of Canada.

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    When some denominations started to ordain women:
    Formal discrimination against women in positions of authority has been gradually eliminated in Western societies, with the exception of some assignments in the military, and positions of power in many conservative religious institutions.

    A partial list with the approximate dates of either:
    • the approval of female ordination in principle or
    • the ordination of their first women clergy by Christian and Jewish 10 faith groups

    appears below. We are attempting to add to this list and firm up the dates shown:
    • Early 1800's: A fundamental belief of the Society of Friends (Quakers) has always been the existence of an element of God's spirit in every human soul. Thus all persons are considered to have inherent and equal worth, independent of their gender. This led naturally to an opposition to sexism, and an acceptance of female ministers. In 1660, Margaret Fell (1614 - 1702) published a famous pamphlet to justify equal roles for men and women in the denomination. It was titled: "Women's Speaking Justified, Proved and Allowed of by the Scriptures, All Such as Speak by the Spirit and Power of the Lord Jesus And How Women Were the First That Preached the Tidings of the Resurrection of Jesus, and Were Sent by Christ's Own Command Before He Ascended to the Father (John 20:17)." 7 In the U.S., "In contrast with almost every other organized religion, the Society of Friends (Quakers) have allowed women to serve as ministers since the early 1800s." 8
    • 1853: Antoinette Brown was ordained by the Congregationalist Church. However, her ordination was not recognized by the denomination. She quit the church and later became a Unitarian. The Congregationalists  later merged with others to create the United Church of Christ. 5,6
    • 1863: Olympia Brown was ordained by the Universalist denomination in 1863, in spite of a last-moment case of cold feet by her seminary which feared adverse publicity. She later became a Unitarian. After a decade and a half of service as a full-time minister, she became a part-time minister in order to devote more time to the fight for women's rights and universal suffrage. In 1961, the Universalists and Unitarians joined to form the Unitarian Universalist Association (UUA). The UUA became the first large denomination to have a majority of female ministers. In 1999-APR, female ministers outnumbered their male counterpart 431 to 422.
    • 1865: Salvation Army is founded and has always ordained both men and women. However, there were initially rules that prohibited a woman from marrying a man who had a lower rank.
    • 1871: Celia Burleigh became the first female Unitarain minister.
    • 1880: Anna Howard Shaw was the first woman ordained in the Methodist Protestant Church, which later merged with other denominations to form the United Methodist Church. 12
    • 1888: Fidelia Gillette may have been the first ordained woman in Canada. She served the Universalist congregation in Bloomfield, ON during 1888 and 1889. She was presumably ordained in 1888 or earlier.
    • 1889: The Nolin Presbytery of the Cumberland Presbyterian Church ordained Louisa Woosley. 1
    • 1889: Ella Niswonger was the first woman ordained in the United Brethren church, which later merged with other denominations to form the United Methodist Church. 12
    • 1892: Anna Hanscombe is believed to be the first woman ordained by the parent bodies which formed the Church of the Nazarene in 1919. 11
    • 1909: The Church of God (Cleveland TN) began ordaining women in 1909.
    • 1911: Ann Allebach was the first Mennonite woman to be ordained. This occurred at the First Mennonite Church of Philadelphia.
    • 1914: Assemblies of God was founded and ordained its first woman clergy
    • 1917: The Congregationalist Church (England and Wales) ordained their first woman. Its successor is the United Reformed Church. They now consider it sufficient grounds for refusing ministry training if a potential candidate is not in favor of the ordination of women.
    • 1920's: Some Baptist denominations.
    • 1920's: United Reformed Church in the UK
    • 1922: The Jewish Reform movement's Central Conference of American Rabbis stated that "Woman cannot justly be denied the privilege of ordination."
    • 1922: The Annual Conference of the Church of the Brethren granted women the right to be licensed into the ministry, but not to be ordained with the same status as men.
    • 1930: A predecessor church of the Presbyterian Church (USA) ordained its first female as an elder
    • 1935: Regina Jonas was ordained privately by a German rabbi.
    • 1936: United Church of Canada.
    • 1942: Anglican communion, Hong Kong. Florence Li Tim Oi was ordained on an emergency basis. Some sources say it happened in 1943.
    • 1947: Czechoslovak Hussite Church
    • 1948: Evangelical Lutheran Church of Denmark
    • 1949: Old Catholic Church (in the U.S.)
    • 1956: A predecessor church of the Presbyterian Church (USA) ordained its first woman minister.
    • 1956: Maud K. Jensen was the first woman to receive full clergy rights and conference membership in the Methodist Church. 12
    • 1958: Women ministers in the Church of the Brethren were given full ordination with the same status as men.
    • 1960: Evangelical Lutheran Church in Sweden
    • 1967: Presbyterian Church in Canada
    • 1968: We suspect that the Metropolitan Community Church has accepted women ministers since its founding in 1968. We are attempting to confirm this.
    • 1971: Anglican communion, Hong Kong. Joyce Bennett and Jane Hwang were the first regularly ordained priests.
    • 1972: Reform Judaism
    • 1972: Swedenborgian Church
    • 1972: Sally Priesand became the first woman rabbi to be ordained by a theological seminary. She was ordained in the Reform tradition.
    • 1970's: Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
    • 1974: Methodist Church in the UK
    • 1974: Sandy Eisenberg Sasso became the first woman rabbi to be ordained within the Jewish Reconstructionist movement. 9
    • 1976: Episcopal Church (11 women were ordained in Philadelphia before church laws were changed to permit ordination)
    • 1976: Anglican Church in Canada ordained six female priests.
    • 1976: The Rev. Pamela McGee was the first female ordained to the  Lutheran ministry in Canada.
    • 1977: Anglican Church of New Zealand ordained five female priests.
    • 1979: The Reformed Church in America. Women had been admitted to the offices of deacon and elder in 1972.
    • 1983: An Anglican woman was ordained in Kenya
    • 1983: Three Anglican women were ordained in Uganda.
    • 1984: The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints authorized the ordination of women. This is the second largest Mormon denomination; it is now called The Community of Christ. 2
    • 1985: According to the New York Times for 1985-FEB-14: "After years of debate, the worldwide governing body of Conservative Judaism has decided to admit women as rabbis. The group, the Rabbinical Assembly, plans to announce its decision at a news conference...at the Jewish Theological Seminary..." 14 Amy Eilberg became the first female rabbi.
    • 1985: The first women deacons were ordained by the Scottish Episcopal Church.
    • 1988: Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland
    • 1990: Anglican women are ordained in Ireland.
    • 1992: Church of England
    • 1992: Anglican Church of South Africa
    • 1994: The first women priests were ordained by the Scottish Episcopal Church.
    • 1995: Seventh-day Adventists. Sligo Seventh-day Adventist Church in Takoma Park VA ordained three women in violation of the denomination's rules.
    • 1995: The Christian Reformed Church voted to allow women ministers, elders, and evangelists. In 1998-NOV, the North American Presbyterian and Reformed Council (NAPARC) suspended the CRC's membership because of this decision. 3
    • 1998: General Assembly of the Nippon Sei Ko Kai (Anglican Church in Japan)
    • 1998: Guatemalan Presbyterian Synod
    • 1998: Old Catholic Church in the Netherlands
    • 1998: Some Orthodox Jewish congregations started to employ female "congregational interns" "Although these 'interns' do not lead worship services, they perform some tasks usually reserved for rabbis, such as preaching, teaching, and consulting on Jewish legal matters." 9
    • 1999: Independent Presbyterian Church of Brazil (ordination as either clergy or elders)
    • 2000: The Baptist Union of Scotland voted to allow their churches to either allow or prohibit the ordination of women.
    • 2000: The Mombasa diocese of the Anglican Church of Kenya.
    • 2000: The Church of Pakistan ordained its first women deacons. It is a united church which dates back to the 1970 local merger of Anglicans, Methodists, Presbyterians, Lutherans and other Protestant denominations.
    • 2007: The Worldwide Church of God, a denomination with about 860 congregations worldwide has decided to allow women to serve as pastors and elders. This decision was reached after several years of study. 15

    Some Protestant churches have allowed women to become bishops:
    • 1980: United Methodist Church
    • 1989: Episcopal Church in the U.S.
    • 1992: Evangelical Lutheran Church in Germany
    • 1996: Lutheran Church in Sweden
    • 1997: Anglican Church of Canada
    • Unknown: Evangelical Lutheran Church of Denmark
    • Unknown: Anglican Church of New Zealand
    • 1998: Presbyterian Church in Guatemala
    • 1998: Moravian Church in America
    • 1999: Czechoslovak Hussite Church

    Many faith groups still refuse to consider women for ordination. Many teach that women have very specific roles, both in the family and in religious organizations where positions of authority and power are reserved for males. This list includes the Roman Catholic Church, all Eastern Orthodox churches, a minority of provinces within the Anglican Communion, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormons) and many Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Protestant denominations.

    On the other hand, the Unitarian Universalist religion is the first major faith group which has a majority of female clergy. Women have had equal and sometimes superior roles within Wiccan and other Neopagan groups.

    References
     
    References:
    The following information sources were used to prepare and update the above essay. The hyperlinks are not necessarily still active today.
    1. "Louisa Mariah Layman Woosley," at: http://www.cumberland.org/
    2. Bill McKeever, "LDS-RLDS: differences and Similarities," Mormon Research Ministry, at: http://www.mrm.org/
    3. "NAPARC votes 6-1 to suspend the Christian Reformed Church," at: http://pins.simplenet.com 
    4. D. Burke, "The Presbyterians in Australia," Bureau of Immigration, Multicultural and Population Research, (1996).
    5. Elizabeth Cazden, "Antoinette Brown Blackwell: A Biography." The Feminist Press, (1983).
    6. Luther Lee,  "Woman's Right To Preach The Gospel: A Sermon Preached at the Ordination of the Rev. Miss Antoinette L. Brown, at South Butler, Wayne County, NY, Sept. 15, 1853," Syracuse, NY, Published by the Author, 1853.
    7. Bill Samuel, "A Sincere and Constant Love," QuakerInfo.com. at:  http://www.quakerinfo.com/
    8. "Religion: Quaker Women," Herstory, at: http://library.usask.ca/
    9. Ray Frank, "Women in the Rabbinate," Jewish Women's Archive, at: http://www.jwa.org/
    10. Pamela S. Nadell, Women Who Would Be Rabbis: A History of Women's Ordination 1889-1985 Beacon Press, (1998). Read reviews or order this book safely from Amazon.com online book store
    11. "Historical Statement," Church of the Nazarene, at:  http://www.nazarene.org.au/
    12. "Historical firsts for women clergy, Part 2," The General Commission on Archives and History for The United Methodist Church, at: http://www.gcah.org/
    13. "Chronology of Women's Ordination," Worldwide Guide to Women in Leadership, at: http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/
    14. Ari Goldman, "Conservative Assembly votes to admit women as rabbis," New York Time, 1985-FEB-14. Abstract at: http://select.nytimes.com/
    15. "Women in church leadership, conclusion," Worldwide Church of God, 2006-DEC, at: http://www.wcg.org/


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    Examples of specific churches' ordination practices

    Main article: Ordination of women in the Church of Scotland
    • The Cumberland Presbyterian Church. In 1888 Louisa Woosley was licensed to preach. She was ordained in 1889. She wrote Shall Woman Preach.
    • Community of Christ. A revelation was approved at the church's 1984 World Conference which called for the ordination of women, and granted women access to all the offices of the priesthood. Although this caused many congregations to break off from the main body of the church, forming dissident congregations and in some cases new denominations, women have been ordained in many nations since then. Currently the Council of Twelve Apostles has four female members. In addition, in 2007, Becky L. Savage became the first female member of the church's First Presidency. Following the legislative action of the 1984 World Conference, the church changed the name of one of it's priesthood offices from evangelist-patriarch to evangelist, and it's associated sacrament, the patriarchal blessing, to the evangelist's blessing.
    • The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America ELCA is the largest Lutheran body in the USA. The church bodies that formed the ELCA in 1988 began ordaining women in 1970 when the Lutheran Church in America ordained the Rev Elizabeth Platz. The ordination of women is now non-controversial within the ELCA.
    • The Evangelical Lutheran Church of Latvia reversed its earlier (1975) decision to ordain women as pastors. Since 1993, under the leadership of Archbishop Janis Vanags, it no longer does so.
    • The Independent Evangelical-Lutheran Church in Germany does not ordain women.
    • The Independent Old Catholic Church of America (IOCCA), ordains women.
    • The Lutheran, United and Reformed Churches in Germany (EKD) ordain women and have women as bishops.
    • The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod (LCMS), which is the second largest Lutheran body in the United States, does not ordain women.
    • The Lutheran state Churches in Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Norway and Iceland ordain women and these Lutheran churches in Europe have women as bishops already. However, while the Church of Sweden was the first Lutheran church to ordain female pastors in 1958, there is still considerable debate in this church as to the legitimacy of the ordination of women into the pastoral office. In fact, in 2003 the Missionsprovinsen (Mission Province) was formed within the Church of Sweden to support those who oppose the ordination of women and other developments seen as theologically problematic.
    • The Lutheran Evangelical Protestant Church (GCEPC) has ordained women since its inception in the year 2000. Ordination of women is not a controversial issue in the LEPC/GCEPC. Women are ordained/consecrated at all levels including deacon,priest, and bishop in the LEPC/GCEPC.
    • The Moravian Church
    • Many Old Catholic Churches within the Utrecht Union in Germany, Switzerland, Austria and Netherlands ordain women, but two churches have left the union because they do not do so. Other Old Catholic Churches do not ordain women, but accept this in other Old Catholic Churches of the Union. These are not to be confused with the Roman Catholic Church which does not ordain women (see above).
    • The Pentecostal church in Germany allows ordination of women.
    • The Presbyterian Church (USA). In 1893, Edith Livingston Peake was appointed Presbyterian Evangelist by First United Presbyterian of San Francisco. Between 1907 and 1920 five more women became ministers. The Presbyterian Church (USA) began ordaining women as elders in 1930, and as ministers of Word and sacrament in 1956. By 2001, the numbers of men and women holding office were almost equal.
    • The Presbyterian Church in America does not ordain women. In 1997, the PCA even broke its fraternal relationship with The Christian Reformed Church over this issue.
    • The Orthodox Presbyterian Churches do not ordain women.
    • The Reformed Churches in Switzerland and in the Netherlands ordain women.
    • The Salvation Army ordains women.
    • The Seventh-day Adventist Church officially does not ordain women. Recent votes at the worldwide General Conference Sessions turned down a proposal to allow ordination of women. There was a strong polarization between nations, with Western countries generally voting in support and other countries generally voting against. A further proposal to allow local choice was also turned down. In practice, there are numerous women working as ministers and in leadership positions. The most influential co-founder of the church, Ellen G. White, was a woman.
    • The United Church of Canada. Divided during the 1930s by this issue inherited from the churches it brought together, the United Church ordained its first woman minister, Lydia Gruchy, in 1936.
    • The United Church of Christ. Antoinette Brown was ordained as a minister by a Congregationalist Church in 1853, though this was not recognized by her denomination. She later became a Unitarian. Women's ordination is now non-controversial in the United Church of Christ.
    • The United Methodist Church does ordain women. In 1880, Anna Howard Shaw was ordained by the Methodist Protestant Church; Ella Niswonger was ordained in 1889 by the United Brethren Church. Both denominations later merged into the United Methodist Church. In 1956, the Methodist Church in America granted ordination and full clergy rights to women. Since that time, women have been ordained full elders (pastors) in the denomination, and 21 have been elevated to the episcopacy. The first woman elected and consecrated Bishop within the United Methodist Church (and, indeed, the first woman elected bishop of any mainline Christian church) was Marjorie Matthews in 1980. Leontine T. Kelly, in 1984, was the first African-American woman elevated to the episcopacy in any mainline denomination. In Germany Rosemarie Wenner is since 2005 leading bishop in the United Methodist Church.
    • The United Reformed Church in the United Kingdom ordains women.
    • The Unitarian Universalist Association. The Unitarian Universalist Association has a long history of welcoming women to the ministry, reaching back to 1963 and its predecessor, the Universalist Church. In 1999, it became the first major religion in the US with women outnumbering men in the clergy.
    • The Universalist Church. Olympia Brown became the first woman to be ordained as a minister in 1863, as an ordained Universalist minister.

    Women as bishops

    Some Protestant and Anglican churches have allowed women to become bishops:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordination_of_women

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    Born on this day September 30 in 1207 - Jalal al-Din Muhammad Rumi, Persian mystic and poet.

    He believed the soul to be one with Deity, and thought ecstatic experience of Deity could be attained with music, whirling dance, and chanting Deity’s holy names.



    rumi - by Lisa Dietrich
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    The Guest House

    This being human is a guest house.
    Every morning a new arrival.

    A joy, a depression, a meanness,
    some momentary awareness comes
    as an unexpected visitor.

    Welcome and entertain them all!
    Even if they're a crowd of sorrows,
    who violently sweep your house
    empty of its furniture,
    still, treat each guest honorably.
    He may be clearing you out
    for some new delight.

    The dark thought, the shame, the malice,
    meet them at the door laughing,
    and invite them in.

    Be grateful for whoever comes,
    because each has been sent
    as a guide from beyond.

     
    ~ Rumi ~
     
    (The Essential Rumi, versions by Coleman Barks)
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    September 30 to October 9: Navaratri/Durga Puja–Hindu festival of Great Goddess Maha Devi as Durga, protector of the powerless; celebrates Her destruction of evil and restoration of cosmic order.



    In Hinduism, Durga (Sanskrit: "the inaccessible" or "the invincible") or Maa Durga (Mother Durga) is a form of Devi, the supreme goddess. Goddess Durga is considered by Hindus to be the mother of Ganesha, and Kartikeya. She is thus considered the fiercer, demon-fighting form of Shiva's wife, goddess Parvati.

    Durga is depicted as a warrior aspect of Devi Parvati with 10 arms who rides a lion or a tiger, carries weapons and assumes mudras, or symbolic hand gestures. This form of the Goddess is the embodiment of feminine and creative energy (Shakti).

    Legend
     
    The Great Goddess Durga is said to be exquisitely beautiful. Her form is blindingly bright (devi), with three lotus-like eyes, ten powerful hands, lush hair with beautiful curls, a red-golden glow from her skin and a quarter moon on her forehead. She wears a shiny oceanic blue attire emitting fierce rays. Her ornaments were carved beautifully of gold, with ocean pearls and precious stones embedded in it. Each god also gave her their own most powerful weapons: Rudra's trident, Vishnu's discus, Indra's thunderbolt, Brahma's kamandalu, Kuber's gada, etc.


    Image of Durga, shown riding her tiger and attacking the demon Mahishasura

    Himalayas gifted her a fierce white and gold lion. On the end of the eighth and beginning of the ninth day of waxing moon, Chanda and Munda came to fight the goddess. She turned blue with anger and the goddess Chamunda leaped out of her third eye. Her form was the most powerful one with three red eyes, blood-filled tongue and dark skin; she finally killed the twin demons with her sword. This form of the divine goddess is worshiped during the sandhikshan of Durga Puja festival, as sandhi/chandi puja. Finally, on the tenth day of waxing moon, Durga killed Mahishasura with her trident.

    The word Shakti, meaning sacred feminine force, and Durga reflects the warrior aspect of the goddess, embodying a traditional male role. She is also strikingly beautiful, and initially Mahishasura tries to marry her. Other incarnations include Annapurna and Karunamayi (karuna = kindness).

    According to the narrative from the Devi Mahatmya of the Markandeya Purana, the form of Durga was created as a warrior goddess to fight a demon. The demon's father Rambha, king of the demons, once fell in love with a water buffalo, and Mahish Asur (the demon Mahish) was born out of this union. He is therefore able to change between human and buffalo form at will (mahish means "buffalo"). Through intense prayers to Brahma, Mahishasur had the boon that he could not be defeated by any man or god. He unleashed a reign of terror on earth, heaven and the nether worlds.

    Eventually, since only a woman could kill him, the Holy Male Trinity went down to the river Ganges and prayed the mantra, "Om Namo Devaye", imploring of the great goddess Devi to save their realm from ruin. They were blessed with her compassion when the goddess Durga was born out of the river.

    Worship
     

    A priest worshipping a contemporary image of Durga during Durga Puja

    The four day long Durga Puja is the biggest annual festival in Bengal and Bihar. It is celebrated likewise with much fervour in other parts of India, especially the Himalayan region, but is celebrated in various forms throughout the Hindu universe.

    The day of Durga's victory is celebrated as Vijaya Dashmi, Dashain or Dussehra - these words literally mean "the Victorious Tenth" (day). In Kashmir she is worshipped as shaarika (the main temple is in Hari Parbat in Srinagar).

    The actual period of the worship however may be on the preceding nine days (Navaratri) followed by the last day called Vijayadashami in North India or five days in Bengal (from the sixth to tenth day of the waxing-moon fortnight). Nine aspects of Durga known as Navadurga are meditated upon, one by one during the nine-day festival by devout Shakti worshippers.

    In North India, the tenth day, signifying Rama's victory in his battle against the demon Ravana, is celebrated as Dussehra - gigantic straw effigies of Ravana are burnt in designated open spaces (e.g. Delhi's Ram Lila grounds), watched by thousands of families and little children.

    In Gujarat it is celebrated as the last day of Navaratri, during which the Garba dance is performed to celebrate the vigorous victory of Mahishasura-mardini Durga.

    The Goddess Durga is worshiped in her peaceful form as MahaGauri, The Fair Lady, Shree Shantadurga also known as santeri, is the patron Goddess of Goa. She is worshiped by all Goan Hindus irrespective of caste and even by some Christians in Goa.


    Durga sculpture British Museum

    Goddess Durga is worshiped in many temples of Dakshina Kannada district of Karnataka .

    Another important text on Durga is the 21-verse long Mahishasura Mardini Stotram (Prayer to the Goddess who killed Mahishasura) written by Sri Sri Sri Shankara Bhagavatpadacharya.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durga

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    French bishop urges Christians to understand how Jews read Scriptures
    By Cindy Wooden
    Catholic News Service
    October 13, 2008

    VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- The first week of the world Synod of Bishops on the Bible, which began with a presentation by a rabbi, ended with a plea from a French bishop for Christians to understand and respect the way the Jews read the Scriptures.

    Bishop Francis Deniau of Nevers said the Jewish people and their history are "not an external reality" to Christianity because God's revelations and promises to them are part of the mystery of Christian faith.

    Bishop Deniau, president of the French bishops' commission for relations with the Jews, told the synod Oct. 10, "Christians have always been tempted to speak about the Jews in the past tense."

    But, he said, when Pope John Paul II referred to the Jews as "our elder brothers" in the faith, he was pointing to the fact that Christianity and rabbinical Judaism developed side by side and that both communities continue trying to live and act in fidelity to their traditions.

    "For us Christians, the Jewish reading" of the Old Testament, "completely different from ours, is not any less possible or legitimate and can teach us a lot," Bishop Deniau said.

    The bishop referred to the Pontifical Biblical Commission's 1993 document, "The Interpretation of the Bible in the Church," and its 2001 document, "The Jewish People and Their Sacred Scriptures in the Christian Bible."

    The documents, while underlining the fact that faith in Jesus Christ must be the determining factor in the Christian understanding of the Bible, also said that millennia of Jewish Scripture study can help Christians know more about the situations in which God's word was revealed, how it was received by the people, how their understanding developed over time and how Jesus and his disciples would have understood the Scriptures.

    Echoing the commission's 2001 document, Bishop Deniau said the Christian reading of the New Testament, even of passages critical of the Jewish people or their leaders, must not create anti-Semitism.

    The biblical commission said the rebukes in those passages are "no more frequent nor harsher than the accusations against Israel in the law and in the prophets," but rather are literary devices that do not convey "an attitude of scorn, hostility or persecution of Jews as Jews."

    Bishop Deniau asked the synod to encourage greater Christian study of Chapters 9-11 of St. Paul's Letter to the Romans in which he speaks of his disappointment that more Jews have not accepted Christ, but also affirms his belief that God's call to the Israelites is irrevocable and they will be saved.

    "Even if the 'no' of the Jews hurts us," Bishop Deniau said, "we have to try to perceive what the Jews see as faithfulness to God and to their own vocation."


    http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0805189.htm

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    fyi: For anyone interested in discussion about the current Synod on the Word and its implications for women and women's ordination, we are following it here: Synod on the Word: October 5 - 26, 2008 The Vatican

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    RE: Ecumenism, Inter-religious Dialogue and Pope Benedi... - 14/10/2008 8:24:30 PM   
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    Cindy Wooden's Catholic News Service article on Bishop Francis Deniau of Nevers, France is great.  His ecumenical approach of respect for the Jews is excellent.

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    Today October 19 - Hindu Festivals, Concluding of Navratri Festival of India. It is a nine day festival attributed to the Goddess Durga, the Supreme-Divine manifested in form of Mother. The 10th day, Hindus celebrate Dasara, the mark of Lord Rama's victory over demon Ravana - Goddess Durga Day.

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    Octogenarian is committed to priestly duties
    Dispatch Online
    by Cheri Anne James
    October 8, 2008

    TWENTY years ago while performing her task as an Anglican deacon, Reverend Nancy Charton had to stand aside to allow a man to distribute communion in church. At the time, the Anglican church did not allow women to be ordained as priests. Now Charton, who was among the first women to be ordained as Anglican priests in South Africa in 1992, is still going strong at the age of 88 and is actively involved in community work in Graaff-Reinet. “(When I was a deacon) I had to chase up a man to do the Eucharist. You just have to be better than a man, and that’s not difficult,” said Charton.


    STILL GOING STRONG: Reverend Nancy Charton, 88, was one of the first ordained Anglican women priests in South Africa and is still active in the Graaff-Reinet community. Picture: ANDREW STONE

    The Dispatch@venture team visited Charton at her home just off Church Street in Graaff- Reinet yesterday. She is a very alert octogenarian, who easily recalls her life story.

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    Read complete story, click here: RE: Heroic Agents of Change - 2008

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